When they’re adamant that voting third party in the United States will be useful in some capacity, I assume they’re 13
Conversely: when they say this is the most important election of “our lifetimes”, and the world will end if we lose.
(Doesn’t mean they’re wrong)
Almost anyone with an irrational political stance betrays their youth.
Political ideology has always captivated the passions of youth, but isn’t successfully implemented or even internalized except by people with age and experience and emotional regulation.
I agree with you. Do you think people become more conservative with age or is it society becoming more progressive and leaving them behind? Obviously ignoring the current regressive times of the last eight+ years there.
To contribute an answer to the original question I offer this post as evidence of age- thinking about how much has changed during my life may have come through above.
Do you think people become more conservative with age or is it society becoming more progressive and leaving them behind?
I am getting up there in years and seeing this play out over and over.
I think every generation wants to be more progressive than the last, but we tend to carry baggage of fear and insecurity through the generations. Or more specifically, older people tend to gain the political and monetary capital needed to affect policy and shape our societal outlook and attitude. They will always be more conservative than the younger generation who will want more freedoms and personal rights, inherently, and as the ruling class will clash with newer sensibilities, over and over.
What we’re asking here, is the conservatism reflected in our elders and leadership now broadly more harmful or helpful? Are we out of the touch or is it the kids who are wrong?
I think it’s a mix but mostly it’s not our real problem. Our real problem is that no matter what our age, we have greatly misunderstood how our own existence works. Most people have been taught that they have brains designed to exercise logic and reason and that brains are the best thing ever if you use them and make them smart.
No, our brains are not logical tools. We are not a rational species. There was no “age of enlightenment.” It’s all a hoax. Our brains are tools designed to write a story to explain how you feel. And that’s it. It doesn’t even have to make sense. When we all learn how our brains actually work we will collectively make better decisions, have more compassion for each other, and likely sink into even deeper despair as we all start to realize we have no free will.
You would need some real insurance that others were commuted to vote 3rd party no matter what. Otherwise the real benifit is just getting to that 5% mark where third parties get some bennies like federal funding and automatic ballot access in some places. Which is minor vs say stopping a campaign of vengeance from a candidate who has acted feloniously already and has abused his position to black bag political opponents before.
The youngsters are downvoting you, but what you’re saying is sad but true. It’s the reason Bernie never ran as an independent, he knew it would hand the victory to republicans on a silver platter.
Why not vote 3rd party in states that only go one direction? Take NY for instance. What the fuck harm comes from voting 3rd party assholes for president? One time the state elected a republican candidate and it was (still is I think) the largest landslide in history. I’m 36 and have always hated the 2 party system. It’s been easier and easier as I got older too with increasing political polarity.
What I want is more than 2 fucking options. What you are assuming is that I wouldn’t get what I want if a conservative won NY. For this to happen there would need to be a mass exodus of democrats abandoning their party to vote conservative. So for that to happen either the democratic candidate is God awful or the conservative is a homerun. Either way I dont give a fuck.
I vote for my interests in state and local elections. Presidential elections in NY are the least concerning elections as they should be for every fuckin American.
This, comments like “Presidential elections in NY are the least concerning elections as they should be for every fuckin American” is how you know someone is a kid. Saying the presidential election is the least concerning election? The guy who appoints Supreme Court Justices that shape our laws and lives? The guy who basically runs the country, don’t worry about that one. What the actual fuck lol.
Gave my age in the parent comment of the one you replied to mid-thread. Unless you already saw it and are asserting that my age qualifies me as a child! In that case, my receding hair line is flattered!
Overreacting to comments that don’t align with your own doesn’t give away age but sure as shit shows your maturity.
Read my parent comments for better context and if you need help understanding the fundamentals of federal, state and local elections, I’m happy to explain further! 🍻
Well first, you can lie, it’s the Internet, it’s known to happen from time to time. You could be older but I find that idea worrying and a little depressing.
Secondly, me pointing out that saying “presedetail elections should be the least concerning to everyone” is just straight ignorance. I mean you don’t even seem to understand the impact of the Supreme Court on every day citizens alone (abortion rights much) and how they are appointed, why would I bother sift through your nonsense comments lol.
Either way, hope you get some good information/education from all the responses people are giving ya! 🍻
So you didn’t read the comments that added context lol. Starting to think this is more of a reading comprehension issue lol.
So Ill give you the outline:
I live in NY.
There would have to be like 5 million democrats voting republican to even create a scenario where my voting 3rd party affected the outcome.
NY goes democratic every election no matter what my vote is for. For that reason the presidential election is the least important election.
The quote you keep taking out of context emphasized the importance of voting for EVERY elected official because even with Roe v Wade over turned nothing has changed where I live for how abortions are handled.
I know a full grown adult that does that in every election. Local elections, sure, I can understand, but he does that with all of them, Basically a card carrying communist that’s a useful idiot for right wing politicians.
I don’t assume they are 13, but they at least aren’t old enough to remember what happened in 2016.
Or any other election year, for that matter. I don’t think a third party candidate has gotten a significant voter block in 100 years.
Yep. A third party candidate hasn’t gotten a single electoral college vote since George Wallace, and the only time a third party has done better than either a Democrat or a Republican was with Theodore Roosevelt and his Bull Moose party, which crushed Taft but got absolutely obliterated in turn by Wilson due to the spoiler effect.
Ross Perot got 18.9% of the popular vote in 1992. While he didn’t get any electoral votes he likely prevented a second HW Bush term.
the analysis shows perot damaged Clinton’s margin of victory.
Source on this? I was young but I remember that election. Perot seemed to be like some kind of ultracapitalist “run the country like a business” moron that people respected because he was rich. My grandpa loved him and I rarely heard him talk politics. He was also only educated to the sixth grade for what that’s worth.
Seems like the kind of guy to take a bite out of the conservative vote.
I’m gonna fix my ignorance and go look him up right now though.
Edit-- I’m back, learned a lot. I love that he supported electronic direct democracy way back in 1992. He was in favor of gun control and money for AIDS research. Openly supported gay rights in 1996 but notably not until his second campaign when he really had no chance.
He didn’t believe trickle down economics worked. Was a billionaire who spoke against greed which is really strange. But me calling him an ultracapitalist is probably misplaced. Also not a moron. He was into taxing the wealthy, starting to like this guy, but balancing the budget by cutting social programs, nevermind do not like.
He opposed outsourcing factory jobs and favored environmental protection. He wanted to decrease the budgets of both the military and NASA. Wanted to cancel the space station.
Quite the complicated guy. I love some of his policies and hate others. Seems like a weird mix when viewed through a modern lens. I think I’d have considered voting for him if I was ten years older in '92. Probably would have voted for Clinton though who notably achieved one of Perot’s primary goals, which was to balance the budget.
So I ended up researching Clinton’s campaign and it was straight up racist against black people. He also pledged to end welfare “as we know it”. I think I actually would have voted for Perot! Maybe there’s something to what you’re saying about reducing Clinton’s margin of victory.
Fair – outliers might exist, on rare occasion
They play Gatcha life or that Toca boca game (forgot it’s name)
They keep talking about how much they like turtles
Yup, usually they don’t reign over their autism yet
Asking basic questions that can usually be answered with internet experience (“how do bans/kicks work”, or “what is an administrator”, “what is LAN” etc.)
Flaunting “new” features that existed on older products. (“This game let’s us upload our own music to soundtrack!”, “I’ve never seen a platformer like this” etc.)
Their gamer tag includes “Killer”. They’ve never heard the terms “gamer tag” or “handle”.
Is this really common? I dont know any that even used a computer before 2015
Did you know that you can download podcasts and play them without internet?
This one got me the other day.
Really? What’s next, podcasts delivered over airwaves?
It’s called WiFi smh
Excessive swearing, as if they just learned how to say “fuck”.
Not that any damn amount of fucking swearing means they are are a young fucker, but you can fucking tell when you read that shit and they manage nine goddamn swear words in one fucking sentence you know they’re a young bitch who aren’t allowed to swear any other damn time.
Mother damn, that’s a shitting good point my bastard
Or they speak English as a foreign language. Then all the swear words hold no value or weight, unlike in your native language.
Fuck you, I’m in my forties
Yeah, what’s this fucker on about? I’m an adult that doesn’t even get carded at the liquor store anymore, I fucking swear whenever I damn well please and as often as I give a shit to. Nothing wrong with some cursing, especially at those young fucks that won’t stay off my goddamned lawn. Shit, they’re at it again.
Brb, gotta yell at some asshole kids.
Don’t get it twisted, I love cursing like a sailor and do so regularly. But when I see it excessively in an internet post that makes someone seem like they’re trying too hard to fit in with adults online and be extra edgy
Alright, just stay off my lawn and we’re cool.
Not understanding the difference between pre and post 9/11 politics
Hate to break it to you but people born in 2006 are turning 18 this year (and are technically considered “adults”).
Having just turned 43, I can tell you that I don’t think I became an adult until my early/mid 30s.
This is a truth that everyone under 30 denies until the day they turn 30. It’s like a magic spell is suddenly broken, and you realize you’re alone in an aging meat husk that now knows the glory of back pain.
I know a young person will read this and think this won’t happen to them. To that person: I am you from the future. Remember us as we were.
I know a young person will read this and think this won’t happen to them.
I rather thought “Huh, 30s is still young.”
I have no illusions anymore that this pattern won’t repeat. I enjoy my back pain for what it is: the pre-hip pain era.
I’m 27 and I think I’m there already
I thought that too. I regret to report: it gets worse.
I think it’s kinda like the old dating age formula; you can date people (your age) / 2 + 7 years old, and you feel like that’s the age of an adult.
When I was 15 I felt like ann adult, but people younger than me were teens. When I was 25 I felt like an adult but people under the age of like 20 were just kids. Now I feel like people in their early/mid-20s are just about adults. I’m sure when I’m 50 I’ll think back to myself now and consider myself barely an adult.
That’s a relief!
I’m 40 and it seems like I can continually look back at myself from five years ago and think damn I was an idiot back then. I wonder how I will feel in five years…
Wow, you’re me!
They are technically, but not actually adults.
I was alive for 9/11 and I don’t know the difference.
I don’t care for politics.
Not at least understanding the difference seems irresponsible.
Why? How does knowing how politics worked before I could vote, help me as a voter today?
I understand enough about politics to cast my vote and beyond the act of voting, I generally don’t follow politics. I vote based on party platforms (what they intend to do) and the likelihood of those things happening. Eg, if a party was to say that they’ll make everyone rich, I would consider that statement to be delusional, unrealistic and not something that could be fulfilled even if that party was voted in. This is an extreme example, but I think you get my meaning.
Beyond doing my due diligence in figuring out who I want to vote for, and then voting for that party… What else do I realistically need?
My district always elects the same party anyways, whether I vote for them or not. I’ve landed in a gerrymandered location and that party basically always wins, but I still vote regardless.
IMO, I shouldn’t need to take a political history course to be considered to be a responsible voter.
Who needs an informed electorate anyway?
I don’t care for politics.
Your sphere of control should match your sphere of concern; and neither of those things are what you think they are.
You think politics are in my control in any way, shape, or form? They’ve gerrymandered my vote to irrelevance.
I still vote, I look at the platforms and vote for whomever I feel serves my interests the most, not that the party’s platform means jack or shit. They’re all just pandering to whatever they know you want to hear, and once they get into power, they do whatever the hell they want.
My district leans a particular way, and whether I vote with them, or against them, the same party is elected to govern. I’d say my vote is pretty useless in that context.
I was too young to vote, pre-9/11, and had even less interest in politics than I do now. I’ve vaguely followed along since I got registered to vote when I got old enough to do so, but it’s not like learning about what happened before I was registered to vote will help me in any way. I make the best choice based on the information that is available, and in the end, it doesn’t even matter.
Could anyone persuade you to vote on what’s better for most people instead of what’s better for yourself? Maybe it’s the same policies maybe not.
I usually want whatever is best for the majority. I’m done college, and I paid my student loans, I’ll vote for student loan forgiveness and a restructuring of that system so others don’t have to go through what I did.
I’m pretty healthy and rarely need hospitals but universal healthcare is something that everyone should have.
I would also vote for UBI, though I would get no benefit from it, as I’ve been employed pretty much non-stop since I left college.
I would also vote to raise the minimum wage, though my salary is significantly amount the minimums.
My principles are in line with what most people would consider to be the greater good for all people. I believe in true equality, and I don’t feel like that’s what we have, some people just aren’t given the same basic rights, especially in America with roe v. Wade being overturned. Bodily autonomy and the right to love, and marry whomever you want. I don’t believe in lowering the bar to give the illusion of things being “fair”, eg, allowing people who are otherwise mentally or physically incapable of doing a job, to do the job just because they’re a particular race, gender, or something else (making it more about who they are than whether they’re the best fit for a job).
I don’t think I need any convincing to vote for what’s good for someone else.
Agreed, we are like minded in many ways. Thanks for the kind and long response. I believe your earlier comments were being taken by myself and others as fuck everyone I’ll get/I’ve got mine. Sorry I don’t mince words at the moment.
No apology needed. No offense taken.
I know that text replies, especially terse ones can be interpreted in many ways. Often I tend to be rather verbose to get my point across accurately. Some then complain about the verbosity of my replies.
It’s a struggle to find the right amount of terse while being verbose enough to not be misunderstood.
That assumes you live in one of a small number of countries for which politics significantly shifted after one of those countries was attacked.
And also that you’re at least old enough to have had a reasonable mature understanding of the political landscape before 2001, so as to appreciate how things changed. Let’s assume that’d make you at least 20.
…So, we have to be at least 43 years old, and American, or you’ll assume we’re children?
To actually understand you’d have to have been following politics pre 9/11, which would make you probably 16 at the time. That means 39 right now. That’s a lot of adults you’re ruling out.
If you want to say understand society pre and post 9/11, then you’re probably talking 12 at the time, so 35 right now. Still a lot of adults you’re ruling out.
So, uh, what is the difference?
Bad assumption, a localized event doesn’t affect everyone in the world equally.
My general metric:
Hahaha = gen x
Lol = older millenial
Lmao = younger millenial
💀 = Gen z
I’m Gen Z and use all of them
For me its moreso about what the older gens won’t use than what the younger ones will
Lol
This is at least true for me as I’m an xennial or whatever and i use both lol n haha depending on my mood but never lmao. Lol
I am a xennial as well and that was dangerously close to using lol as punctuation which will lose you that sweet xennial cred.
Seriously though I’m happy to be from this microgeneration. Analog childhood/digital adulthood makes for cool people.
I’m a lmaoer myself but i can throw in a lol depending on who I’m talking to.
The skull thing is pretty dumb.
hahal💀lma💀
Most Gen Z aren’t children though
When i figure out what gen a’s ‘funny’ synonym is I’ll update the list
From what I’ve seen it’s also 💀
This is accurate lol
Too much emotion in their writing. Personal attacks. Doubling down in the reply. Support for the Chinese Communist Party.
Support for the Chinese Communist Party.
Imagine thinking everyone in China is 15yo. It says a lot of you.
Imagine thinking everyone in China supports the CCP.
According to Harvard in 2020, 95.5% do. That certainly isn’t 100%, but it’s pretty high, I would say.
I bet is very relevant to:
On the Internet, what is a dead giveaway that someone is actually a kid?
Lol, comment removed. It ended with, “…support for the Chinese Communist party” as a way of finding out someone is a child.
Which was then removed in a, dare I say, childish act of moderation.
(Which is fine, the folks at .ml are welcome to censor as they see fit, of course, and I’m sure this comment isn’t long for this world.)
Well, you could count redditor-esque petty opinions as part of that,
That, and using pepe the frog as a PFP… as childish…
Dude, fuck these tankie mods. Childish af.
References TikTok as a source of knowledge
I have family in their 30s and 40s who do that 😭 I wonder if people subconsciously trust TikTokers more than other social media users since they usually show their faces.
Specifically in games: constantly repeating the flavor of the month insults. Typically some influencer comes up with a funny insult then for the rest of the month some kids use that one singular insult for every situation
Quit yapping 💀
I’m pretty sure looking for kids on the internet will get you a nice little seat with Mr. Chris Hansen.
Unable to understand and/or admit that both sides can be bad. It’s ok to admit the “your team” did some nasty shit and it doesn’t in any way cancel out what the other “team” did.
Also, Winning an argument doesn’t in any way make you a winner. Actually, an argument that someone “won” often doesn’t lead to a change for the better or even make anyone convinced that your arguments were valid.
calling people online kid or kiddo.
edit: this isn’t about using the word altogether. it’s about comments online where people try to be condescending by calling other anonymous people “kid” or “kiddo”. always seems like compensation to me.
Whatever you say kiddo
see it works
Thanks, that’s very kind!
Takes things personally right away and isn’t yet very good at sarcasm or snark. But you know, that could just be and awkward adult too
Nobody asked for your shitty opinion you little fuck! /s
Have I passed?
