Bit of a simple question: Some people on lemmy are still posting stuff from youtube, xitter and the like.
Have you gone full fediverse yet or how far are you?
- traded reddit for lemmy/kbin
- xitter for mastodon
- discord for matrix
- youtube for peertube
Obviously I also mean other alternatives. Which ones do you use and why?
Disclaimer: this question is me asking genuinely but also trying to make it fun by arbitrary ranking/escalating it. Not trying to say one is better than the others.
A bit meta, but Is there a unified article anyone can point me to that discusses all the different fediverse video options (IIRC peertube is not the only one) with a overview of how their usage differs from youtube?
I’ve found peertube to be interesting ever since it was new, but have had very little luck finding anything I wanted on it when I’ve tried using it.
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All relatable and sane answers imo. :)
Two things:
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matrix is a protocol for messaging. People use it as replacement for discord, whatsapp, signal. Self hostable, your data stays in one place and you can bridge nearly every other app to it. So instead of 5 IM apps you have one (element or fluffychat if I have to guess).
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the fediverse and interoperability are great. Its the UI that needs work in most cases as it is very early. Beta stages at best. Something a user would never see usually. Keep that in mind.
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What’s Matrix?
A communication protocol with main focus on chat applications. Sort of a specified and documented way how apps communicate with servers and server with each other.
In other words: A network on which you can chat with app of your choice on server of your choice. In other words: Fediverse, but for real-time synchronized things.
Instead of going fedi I’m going minimal.
Reddit -> Lemmy, with the caveat that time spent on here is minimal, to be reviewed at a later date.
xitter -> nothing, nitter.net if I want to read a xeet linked by another resource. Ultimately for me micro blogging social media is a time suck with little return.
discord -> still on it for a few different reasons, not sure if I’ll set up matrix just to do a bridge, privacy and minimalism are clashing here.
YouTube -> nothing, invidious if I want to watch yt content. Short or low quality video content is another time suck, try and keep video streaming to a minimum for environmental and mental health reasons.
Netflix and others -> the high seas (it is decentralised)
The high seas definitely are a legit strategy in my book.
The discord bridge of matrix is insanely good and I dont see a problem with using discord or just bridging to it. In opposition i think bridging is a lot safer since you‘re not running the site in your browser but in a containerized app which otherwise has no cookies etc.
Already using libre wolf with containers so not sure how much of a benefit I’d get from moving to an app.
Again back to minimalism I’d rather move away from it completely than have to have a another service to continue using discord. Could change if I start using matrix.
I’ve got too many atm, fb messenger, insta, discord, signal, SMS.
Signal is what I’m trying to push, not sure if it counts as decentralised 🤷
Looking to consolidate rather than tack on another that I don’t think anyone I know uses.
Tbf signal is pretty good. Since I‘ve had someone else mention signal in this thread before I‘ve just spent an hour reading. Here‘s what I‘ve found:
the signal protocol and app
The signal protocol is rather secure and anonymous, trying to achieve zero knowledge situations with the server owners. Your contact list can apparently be reconstructed by following the messages, not sure how that works. Just found this in a reddit thread
xmpp (omemo)
The protocol used by whatsapp. Is also very secure, some vulnerabilities have been noted and some concerns with the ability to break the encryption. Not sure how that would work either but I‘ve read that a couple times now.
the matrix protocol
Matrix is notably more focused on stability and has more decentralization capabilities (apparently easier horizontal scaling since your chats are saved on ever server your chat members are on) therefore less failure likelihood.
summary
All the protocols are vulnerable to some attacks and none has a significant advantage. The xmpp foundation has apparently been influenced by google at some point and the matrix foundation has thinly veiled corporate ties which may or may not become a problem. All in all, it’s probably not important which messenger you promote, I have to say the interoperability of matrix through web api bridges has been noted by multiple sources.
Have a good one. :)
I’ve been using Matrix for the last few months, via Element which supports some newer feature like video and voice calls, and it’s been great. My only complaint is that their Video Rooms feature is kinda flaky with video, which is weird given that one-on-one video calls are rock-solid. Voice-only in a Video Room is reliable tho. Video Rooms are still an experimental feature that you have to enable in your settings.
I’ve seen a couple of Discord servers that use a Matrix Bridge to sync up Discord chats with Matrix Spaces. The only downside to that is that bridges and bots don’t support E2EE, which if you’re bridging to Discord, isn’t much of a downside anyway.
They’re testing calling now actually. Idk how good it is but I saw the option in settings
Element supports video calling and it has been working great for me.
Matrix is great but in very much Work In Progress state. Many things are rewritten or not complete because of the low budget Matrix foundation has for all their ambitions.
I use it everyday, mostly without problems, but sometimes there is an error and my app cannot decrypt a message, sometimes calls do not ring… It seems like the best base for universal chat, but I don’t know if showing it to my friends and family instead of waiting a year or two more was a good choice.
Another alternative is Revolt. It’s open source and very similar to Discord, but it’s not federated, and thus not part of the fediverse.
What? How far am I what?
I am yet to find one that for anything I actually use.
If I would want to make a full time switch there’s need to be a user base large enough to support niche interests without seeing a sad little 2 subscribers in 4 versions of the same thing all on a different instance. None active.
Don’t get me wrong, I use them. But it’s not exclusive.
But those are many different statements. Feature parity Exclusivity Activity Large userbase
Feature parity is impossible to achieve while staying away from corpo cash, this has nothing to do with activity and that has nothing to do with userbase. Lastly, exclusivity is your decision and nothing else. I‘m fine (and so are about 50 others in this thread) with leaving reddit behind for example.
The issue here is that you treat community projects like multi billion dollar businesses. Thats very ignorant to say the least.
- Yep
- Wasn’t on Twitter really (I’ve had various accounts over the years but they never stuck), couldn’t see the point of it. Got two active Mastodon accounts though and I’m all over it like a rash.
- Nah Discord is still perfectly fine for the way I use it
- Uploading my stuff to both. But PT really need to acknowledge the major discovery problems before it can get anywhere, and at the moment they don’t even seem to accept that their instance search tool (ie the first thing most people will need) is broken, so I don’t have high hopes.
Haha, yes I know, this entire thread is just an opportunity for you to tell people about Matrix Discord bridges! But I’ve personally got no use for it yet. And that’s ok 😉
Glad someone might be in a position to help with the PT stuff. I can’t help with the actual codebase but have been pulling together feature requests and bug reports as well as doing a lot of tech support for new users so we all do our part where we can. Teamwork!
Awesome! And yes, I just told my wife that I might have to make a video tutorial on that bridge thing. Would be easier than typing it out all the time. But alas I get to tell people and we might see even more users in the fediverse.
Feel free to hit me up on matrix btw. I like to connect to other open source folks.
I still use Reddit, mostly for the memes, but generally, rarely, like once every few days, while I visit Lemmy daily (a few times a day). The 2nd and 3rd I don’t use at all, the fourth, no. Mainly because I have to go out of my way just to share a video, and that kinda annoys me.
What’s the issue with sharing from PT?
(Not arguing with you, this is a genuine question, trying to understand how people are mostly using it)
Well, I have the YT app and ReVanced on this phone, don’t know if there is a pipe version of the app. If there is, I’d gladly use it instead of ReVanced.
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I can’t share piped links through ReVanced or the regular YT app, I have to manually edit the TLD to share the piped links.
- Lemmy 95%. I use Reddit for tech troubleshooting help sometimes but that’s basically it, and I removed my account.
- Never used Twitter. I have a Mastodon account but rarely use it. It’s just not a content format that I’m very interested in.
- Sadly I use Discord still. Matrix is fine, but nearly all my friends use Discord for gaming and related stuff, so I can’t get rid of it without losing basically all my gaming friends and servers.
- Still use YT all the time, but only through apps like NewPipe, FreeTube, and GrayJay. I haven’t signed into YT for well over a year now.
Slowly but surely I’m getting rid of the corpo’s grip on my life.
Congrats! I appreciate every soul we can rip from the corpo claws. 3. There are matrix bridges that can puppet your account. Pretty cool. Though I need to figure out how to use them. Found out this week. 4. Check out peertube. Especially sepiasearch.org. It’s not perfect and you need to accept that they dont have an algorithm so you need to sort by newest or be very specific in your search terms. Trying to get them to add sort by likes, watch numbers or comment numbers. Lets see how that goes.
I’ve heard of bridges but never tried them, I’ll look into them more.
Peertube is pretty cool, just doesn’t have all the creators I watch currently. I do still watch some content on there though.
I realize I’m a bit strange when it comes to social media, but have never signed up for twitter, discord, youtube, facebook, instagram, or anything else like that. I had a reddit account, but bailed as soon as I heard about kbin. So yeah, I gues that makes me a full fedi.
Same, I’ve watched everything from MySpace to Twitter come and go without ever participating. I would browse reddit and did comment on the small subs for my hobbies in the early days.
I feel like the internet is collapsing, in 2-5 years things are going to be so different. I’m here to shit post and cry until it ends. It’s was fun while it lasted.
to be fair, kinda helps that I was an adult and not in the US before most of those services even became a thing ;)
Dropped reddit, stick to lemmy.
Still on Twitter, primarily doomscrolling Ukraine news
No reason to leave discord for me. I use it for a few groups of friends and also hobby forum chat.
Stopped using YouTube directly, switched to using freetube. Haven’t checked out peertube but hear the content is lacking
Thanks for the detailed answer! :) I have discovered a matrix bridge that can puppet my account which is pretty cool. Need to find out how to use it properly though. I moved to matrix and its great so far.
Peertube is a bit of an odd one. It has good content but i hate the discoverability. I just opened an issue with the creators. Let’s see if that helps. So find peertube content, use sepiasearch.org.
The only thing I can’t dissociate from is Discord. Literally the last of my friends use that; so it’d be a case of cutting down my circle to ‘just me and my partner’ if I threw it out. Everything else, I moved to federated services.
Oh shit; I wasn’t aware it could bridge
Closed down Twitter in 2016. Left reddit as soon as NSFW was blocked. Use Grayjay for YouTube (not sure if that counts).
Haven’t heard of it. I’ll give it a quick search.
Edit: sounds interesting, I’ll give it a try. Any tips?
Be patient, use sepiasearch.org and sort by newest. Be particular in your search term (no algorith).
I only enter to reddit to check information I can’t find in other places or because of communities there. I mostly enter for KDE reports and Stellaris lol
I have a Twitter account because my friend are there and they’ve abandoned Facebook almost completely, but I enter one in a month or so. I’ve been using Mastodon daily because I found a lot of people that also have my interests and hobbies, even in my language.
I only enter to Discord for casual gaming with friends, like one or two times a month.
And I’ve been trying to use PeerTube more, but a lot of content creators I like are still on YouTube, and PeerTube doesn’t have an official app yet. I’m currently using Piped and NewPipe for watching videos (I use the YT app only when I want to support some creators).
At least I heard that Framasoft is working in an official app :D
1: I’m running a kbin instance so. Yeah, think I’ve covered that.
2: Never had a twitter account. I used to check news from some companies that announce stuff there. But you can’t even do that without an account now, so I don’t visit them aside from if people send me direct links to stuff.
3: Yes and no. I’m using both, mainly because I don’t control where everyone else goes.
4: I did (well still do) have a peertube instance up, I’ve just not moved it to the new server yet and not decided if I will. The problem is, storage. For threadiverse (kbin in my case) the space used is easily containable, the media goes onto S3 and I can surf the best combination of speed/price for that and the DB actually grows at a pretty controllable rate. But peertube takes a LOT of space quickly. I suspect it’s a bit harder to have the kind of freedom to post long videos, also livestreaming. I tried 1440p and the server (which is decently specced) couldn’t keep up. So, this might be a failed experiment for me I think.Can relate to 4. the space required is hefty if you dont only host your own videos (which is what I do). I‘m considering making paid peertube accounts available so that people can host at my space but dont get greedy with my space.
- you can still use matrix with a bridge. I dont use discord at all but I have a discord server running that is completely bridges.
Yes, ultimately it’s the way peertube will likely be if we want reliable servers that stick around. Paid for accounts for those that want to upload. The way I figured it was both a server with 1-2TB of space on a server and/or 1-2TB of S3 space is the kind of money I can forget about. But much more than that, and I can’t afford to be hosting other people’s stuff like that for free.
