It’s probably been 15 years since I’ve used Linux and Mint seems to be the recommended distro for people who aren’t all that familiar with Linux like me, but I didn’t know if there was anything I should know with this ThinkPad model that anyone is familiar with. My searching around shows people saying everything from it was painless to install to they had tons of issues and I have no idea how common either one is.
So any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!
Don’t be afraid to distro hop. If Mint doesn’t feel right for you, then try another distro. Also try different desktop environments if you can. Mint uses Cinnamon, but there are also kde plasma, gnome, xfce and many others to try. Who knows, maybe you like one of them more.
Much appreciated. I will definitely not give up if I don’t like Mint. But since it seems to be a good intro distro, it seems like a good way to start.
I ended up on mint myself, and am happy enough with it but definitely want to get into Wayland so I can use waydroid. I haven’t started digging too deeply yet so apologies if I could find this out in a moment of searching. But kde plasma can install on mint? Anyone know how well it works?
You should be able to install multiple desktop environments and select which one to use on the login screen. It’s pretty straightforward and there are many tutorial on how to do that such as this one: https://www.linuxcapable.com/how-to-install-kde-plasma-on-linux-mint/
I have a T480 with Mint and everything worked with zero hassle. Just installed it and started working.
Awesome, just what I wanted to hear. Thank you!
I use a T460 as my daily in the living room.
Mine has an internal battery as well as a removable, large removable is a beast, literally lasts me all day and this machine is like 2017 or so. Backlit.keyboard. not sure they all have it but mine has a sim card slot and wan card built.l in. So internet is easy on a data only sim without tethering. Those wan cards are cheap too if it doesn’t come with.
BIOS has TPM and all that so its easy to secure. Also handles virtual machines well (supports vtx, vtd, Intel text, or and iommu - hyperthreading etc). Typically lenovos T series always have these. I expect most people having issues probably don’t set the BIOS options correctly. Efi supported as expected. Passes all the requirements for w11 if thats your jam. The machine is solid.
I run fedora 39 with sway/hyprland/KDE options. Installed from ‘fedora anything’ image was a breeze via usb. saying that, the only real hindrance these days is lack of usb3.0. So installing from USB is alright the once, but use network for transfers instead of usb sticks if you can.
Resuming from standby isn’t an issue on fedora or arch but it was on debian. If you have any issues, you can send me a PM. The resume from standby issue on Debian was the only thing I never solved reliably.
Oh has ddr3, but those sticks are cheap so you can throw in dual 8gb sodimms for less than 50quid/Euros. I’m sure it’ll take 32gb (dual 16gbs) but I haven’t bothered. I’m running 1600mhz sticks, but it should support up to 2133mhz sticks… have a 1tB ssd slotted in for under 100.
Awesome, thanks for the info. I’m cool with the RAM it has. It’s not going to be doing anything intensive.
You may need to update the UEFI firmware.
Thanks, that was the sort of advice I was wanting to make sure I got before I installed Mint. I assume you mean update it via Lenovo and not from a third party… or if from a third party, if you can tell me where, that would be great!
It would be from Lenovo.
Awesome, thanks!
congrats on your foray into linuxland. its possibly one of the better decisions you can make for yourself. mint is a great way to start because its reasonably well polished and the UI is familiar. issues usually arise from extremely old (and likely broken) hardware or from bleeding edge hardware that does not yet have support.
as others have said, things are likely to work pretty well right from the get-go, but, in the event of an issue, you have support! :-)
Thanks!
Yeah. Plex will do exactly what it sounds like you are wanting to do.
Yes you can access Windows shares directly and play the media from there with no issues. I do it all the time.
IIRC Mint 21.3 had a
touchpad driverkeyboard issue on some Thinkpads. It looked like a simple fix if you are effected tho.Installing Mint on my Thinkpad Yoga was easier than installing Windows. Everything worked right out of the box.
Edit: keyboard not touchpad.
Thanks. You don’t happen to know if there’s a list of the models that have that issue and/or a page on how to fix it, do you?
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Laptop/Lenovo#Lenovo
This page from the Arch Wiki might be a good start
Is Arch similar enough to Mint to make any issues there the same?
Great, thanks!
From what I’ve seen, hardware issues usually come from the hardware manufacturer and not the distro. For example on my t480 the CPU is perma throttled because intel didn’t release a patch.
That is not good news. I do not want a perma throttled CPU. I’m not going to be doing anything that would require it. So I hope the T460 doesn’t have that problem.
Did you change your bios settings to performance? I had the same problem but changing both bios and power management to performance finnaly let my CPU boost to advertised speeds
Also t480? This is the only solution I found online, but I didn’t try it out.
Also t480 - i5-8350u CPU.
My process was to update firmware with fwupd -> change TLP to performance(depending on desktop environment you may have a battery life settings panel) -> reboot into bios and change power settings to performance.
Ran a benchmark and my CPU was running at full power when it was limiting itself to 2Ghz before.
Oops, it was a keyboard issue that affected Thinkpads. It’s in the release notes https://www.linuxmint.com/rel_virginia.php
Thanks!
You’ll probably fine
Go ahead and be happy
Thanks. I hope so, but since there were people who seemed to have some issues when I was searching around (someone was claiming there was a brightness issue they couldn’t solve, for example), I just want to make sure there isn’t anything specific for the T460- or that line in general- that I need to make sure is configured in some unusual way.
IMHO there’s no other way to know that something works that trying it by yourself. I honestly don’t believe that there’s some kind of specific problem with that model that will not let you use Linux on it, maybe some kind of BIOS/UEFI lock but that’s usually easy to unlock.
Maybe if you really want to be sure that it works, you can try using Mint from Live Mode (Booting directly from the pendrive without installing the OS) before purchasing it.
It’s less a ‘won’t run Linux’ and more ‘configure it this way or you’ll have problems’ worry, but it sounds like it should be okay from what others have said.
I took a quick look at the specs and the T460 has 2 cores and uses DDR3 ram, so even though Linux is much lighter on resources than Windows, this laptop might not last you too long, considering how heavy even basic web browsing is these days. This computer will choke if you have a lot of tabs open, especially if you have things other than the browser open. I also noticed it has TPM, so just double check that you can replace the OS on this particular machine.
An alternative would be the T480, which would give you more mileage but can’t usually be had for under $100 like the T460.
Glhf!
It’s what I could afford.
There are a bunch of probes in the linux hardware database. You can check what they are like for your exact model.
Thanks!
Mint is lovely, as are all other Linux distros. However, if you want the latest stuff without going off piste and compiling it yourself, then a rolling, bleeding edge distro might appeal to you. You do mention that you have prior Linux experience.
I own a UK based IT company (as you do) with two other partners (I’m MD and not a doctor) and a slack handful of (lovely - obvs) employees. I personally like Arch on my gear. I used to sport Gentoo but my nadgers complained about being overheated too often. I still have a fair few Gentoo VMs lying around the place.
You might like to try a https://manjaro.org/ effort - I prefer the Plasma desktop spin (KDE). That’s Arch with a few more GUIs. Their Konsole is quite something with zsh and a very stylish prompt.
So far I have managed to get Linux to work on everything I have access to which is rather a lot of hardware. Back in the day wifi was a bit wanky and there was ndiswrapper but nowadays I generally find that laptops from HPE and Dell are just as well supported with Linux as Windows, often better.
I finally ditched Windows on my stuff at Windows 7 - that was my wife’s laptop - a GPU update screwed up and that was the final straw. She has been an Arch user for a good seven years and could not give a shit about what is running on her laptop, provided it works and does stuff.
Thanks, but I think Mint will be fine for my purposes. This isn’t going to be a workhorse machine or anything. And I’m not really a gamer either.
Yes - you’ll be well-served by the ThinkPad line in general. My first permanently dedicated Linux machine was a T430 and true to form things largely “just worked.”
That was enough years ago that I might well have needed to seed the network drivers on the usb key, and that was the worst of it.
They’re tanks, and the hw is generally easy and fairly intuitive to swap out the usual memory and HDD.
IIRC my first distro on that was Debian, had plenty of docs about the intersection of the distro and ThinkPad line.
Mint should be perfectly fine given that.
I will say that I try not to do fresh installs on unfamiliar hardware w/o some other available form of connectivity, my phone mostly is quite sufficient for the purpose. It’s just easier not to risk putting myself in a difficult position in the first place.
You’re in for some fun.
Awesome, thanks!
@FlyingSquid
Hi,
congratulations
I am a linux user on thinkpad since decades: T40 (2004), T42, T420, T450, T480 and now as I am retired, I bought a T470… still happy
About firmware, the T470 runs with ubuntu and firmware is updated when needed. I don’t know with Mint.
be happy with the 🐧
@linuxI have a T450, I’m dual booting Windows 10 and Ubuntu (…I know, I know, I’m just too lazy to swap) on it and it works great, I get better performance on Ubuntu than I do on Windows. The fans worked oob.
Thanks. Good to hear! I’m glad the other person mentioned the fans just in case though.
I’m with you.
I sort of petered out distro-hoping 10-ish years ago, I’ve just used boring old Ubuntu LTS ever since. All the Unity/Gnome/KDE, Snap/Flatpak and systemd stuff I’ve successfully ignored.
I have no doubt that there are “better” distros out there, but Ubuntu works.
I run mint on a T460s and it works like a charm.
Great, thanks!
