So… I have a couple 40-core Xeon servers in my homelab. What do I need to do to trigger these higher? I can Argo Workflow jobs that spin up VMs and execute a webhook / etc to whatever is needed. Let’s get that needle at least past the fisher price of OS’s MacOS.
Yeah, fake those numbers! That’ll definitely help the cause and not at all make anyone look desperate or stupid or cause the data to be thrown away!
Go you!
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Not surprising considering just how much India is running on old hardware. I wouldn’t be surprised if a big chunk of laptops there don’t even support win11.
That is surprising perhaps govts push for adoption in Kerala and elsewhere is the reason.
Kerala?
Yup
https://www.zdnet.com/article/india-slowly-dumping-windows-for-linux/
An article from 2007 about Kerala and Tamil Nadu.
Wow, OK. I half expected a linux distro called Kerala. Hopefully this stance spreads!
did you just creative commons kerala? is that even how that works. i cant just run a pc program to creative commons every possible phrase
That’s how licenses work. They protect every single word and if somebody uses that word henceforth, they breach the license.
I saw lot of folks in college switch to Linux, especially Ubuntu back in the day. It was considered synonymous with coding here. There was a time I could recognize that Ubuntu’s Unity DE from anywhere before it was killed(and resurrected again recently).
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I switched completely to Linux somewhere around 2016, I guess. I gave Windows 11 a spin recently but it didn’t leave too good of an impression.
how do you check indovidual countries?
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But is the desktop really the most relevant measurement? Wouldn’t it be more relevant to talk about “primary” devices? When I grew up, the desktop was what people used to connect with Internet and everything that comes with that. Hence, Linux on the desktop seemed to be relevant. Now, that is still relevant in relation to work and gaming, but for general use people use other devices. So instead of “on the desktop” I think we should talk about “for work”, “for gaming” and “for programming”.
Exactly.
As usual, the geeks in this forum are completely out of touch with reality. I say that as a Linux user of decades.
Desktop stats matter less than ever because ordinary people do not buy desktop computers any more and will do so even less in the future.
But in this context, desktop includes laptops. People still buy those.
Less and less. At this point most internet users in the world have never been near a general-purpose computer of any kind.
With MS enshitifying Windows at an ever increasing pace and the hard work of open source developers, volunteers, advocates, to make Linux better and more approachable, I won’t be surprised at all to see that percentage move up.
“You mean its free and doesn’t try to sell me other products the whole time I’m using it?”
There is the psychological factor that Windows behaves more like malware with their forced full screen overlays to shove the Edge into your ass. Over and over again. Microsoft doesn’t take No for an answer like an abusive partner.
You put words to the feeling I get whenever I turn on my work PC. It has relatively little to do with my actual work. It’s the dread of the psychological abuse of everything asking me to update, upgrade, and look at how cool our AI is, try all of our other products, share your opinion, etc. etc. etc. I would be twice as productive if they let me BYOOS (bring your own OS) and if my day to day tools were Linux compatible. There are best practices for this kind of thing, but many of the most “reputable” tech companies willingly disregard them in favor of mind games and dark psychology.
damn, you might get me back on Windows if it feel like that 🥴
And Microsoft keeps enshitifying Windows because they know they can get away with it. So many businesses are backed into a corner and have essential parts of their business that are only compatible with Microsoft’s tech. They can’t switch, they won’t even entertain the idea (much less the time/energy required to test it out). The folks at Microsoft know they’ve won. I won’t be surprised when they make Windows 12’s compatibility even more egregious than 11’s.
Don’t panic, thats just me running it on PC, laptop, worklaptop, pinenote, pinephone, steamdeck and in multiple VMs for experimentation. (and don’t forget my randomized fingerprinting setup in the browser)
Was gonna ask if this stat included the Steam Deck, as that’s also accounting for the vast majority of Linux gaming numbers. Whether it does include the Deck or not, it’s a nice rise, but all the better if it doesn’t include the Deck. I wonder if the popularity of using Linux on the Raspberry Pi is helping too.
How many people are reading blogs on their steam decks though? I don’t think it’s having much of an effect for statcounter
You never know, given the Deck has desktop mode. That said, still is a good thing with or without the Deck bolstering the numbers.
Hoe is the pinenote? I have been debating on buying one
https://lemmy.world/comment/8047127
Hardware is pretty solid, software is extremely lacking.
Only buy one if you want to develop for it.
Thanks, I hoped the software would have been a bit more developed by now. I don’t have the time to mess about with it sadly
How are you randomising your fingerprint? I’m very interested
Edit: ah, in your browser
It rubs the lotion on it’s skin.
Me, who could do everything I have set up with one RPi: FIVE? Guess imma get a third Pi
How is the PineNote coming along?
Not great tbh. But I made it work for my usecase somewhat.
As a huge tinkerer I like it over the Remarkable2 which I had before and which was a huge pain to customize.
But I wouldn’t recommend it to normal people.
This was my question too
I love the idea of the Pinenote, but could never afford one.
What do you use for randomized fingerprinting?
Haven’t we celebrated 3% just a few months ago?
You can set it to go back to 2009. Apparently it hit 3% in Q3 2023. And apparently Windows has steadily been trending downward from 95% to 73% since 2009, which is wild to me. I find it hard to believe that that isn’t due to other factors like increased smartphone use over desktops.
There’s separate market shares for mobile devices, and combined as well.
Choosing all platforms we currently get:
Linux - 1.54%
Unknown - 2.42%
OS X - 5.87%
iOS - 17.82%
Windows - 27.39%
Android - 43.74%Android is Linux, too.
I understand that, but if people stop using desktops entirely (because they already have a phone in their pocket), the remaining users might be more likely to be on macOS or Linux for a specific reason.
I don’t see the methodology on that page so it’s hard to say for sure.
I’ve never understood how this is good for Linux. Why is having more users so important?
More users means there is more interest from private companies to reach these users and to port their software/products to Linux. Ie Adobe, Games, AutoCAD Suit, etc.
But why do we want more proprietary software running on Linux? Wouldn’t we be recreating the same situation that Windows has?
Edit: Why downvote me instead of replying with a reason why I’m “wrong” or discussing further? Is Lemmy turning into Reddit already?
But why do we want more proprietary software running on Linux?
Because it’s what reality looks like right now. Everything FOSS would be ideal, but it’s probably not going to happen for a looooong time. In the meantime more software is always good, and it also means more FOSS software you can choose as an alternative.
Wouldn’t we be recreating the same situation that Windows has?
No, because the base OS is still open, so you have choices that you don’t have under Windows.
Why downvote me instead of replying with a reason why I’m “wrong” or discussing further?
Tbh it sounds a bit disingenuous when you say that you don’t understand such a basic thing. It should be pretty obvious that more users means more interest from devs+companies and more support for the platform.
There’s also more chances of FOSS being developed for Linux if more people use it. FOSS is better the more popular it gets.
This seems like wishful thinking to me. Is there any data that supports that with more users comes more FOSS developers?
I’m not sure you need data to understand that if more people use a product, there’s a greater chance someone will develop FOSS for it, as FOSS developers tend to also be users.
Bigger platforms attract more devs.
The BSDs don’t have the dev resources of Linux simply because Linux has a much larger install base.
The BSDs don’t have the dev resources of Linux simply because Linux has a much larger install base.
Really?
I don’t think OpenBSD is as funded as Debian but it could maintain software like OpenSSH (even the portable version for Linux and Windows); LibreSSL (still not much used, but funded because of this), OpenSMTPD.
But OpenBSD can maintain its ports which in my opinion is relatively large (no update for -release, sorry :) ). And base. For so many hardware platform. Even VAX until 6.9
Yeah, really. OpenBSD punches above its weight. There are many things they would like todo, but don’t have the resources.
The difference is that, with a base FOSS OS, you’re not locked in to an flavor you don’t like. Dislike the way Ubuntu is headed? Switch to Debian, Pop, or Mint and use the same exact programs you’re used to. If you dislike Windows 11, you’ve only got a few years before you’re forced to switch to it. Makes it much easier for them to force shitty decisions.
More adoption of Linux also means more incentive for FOSS projects to support it. Yes, it also means more proprietary software, but the truth is that most people don’t care what kind of software they use as long as it works for them. At least Linux can’t become beholden to the demands of that software.
But why do we want more proprietary software running on Linux?
You’re right, there’s downsides for the FOSS community, but it’s much better for many individuals.
Usability, accessibility and privacy for a user is better when any proprietary software, that they cannot avoid, can at least run relatively sandboxed inside an OS they have control over.
Wouldn’t we be recreating the same situation that Windows has?
Good point, but thankfully, an open OS mitigates these issues a great deal.
Proprietary software is one of the last anchors holding people to Windows or macOS.
Ideally, people would switch to FOSS alternatives on a FOSS OS, but proprietary software on top of a FOSS OS is better than FOSS software on a proprietary OS.
Also, people are going to charge for software in some form or fashion. The economic model would need to change in order to allow people to develop software without any economic motives.
People don’t like frequently dual-booting or switching operating systems. If someone needs a specific program for work, and that program only works on windows, chances are they will only use windows.
Many people have to use proprietary software at work, which means most computers for work have to run windows. If linux can get enough marketshare to get support for the necessary programs that people have to use, that will free them up to not use windows at all.
I would certainly benefit if more hardware supported Linux out-of-the-box.
Many people will benefit if that one key application they need is supported on Linux.
We all benefit from the paid developers working on Linux. The number of such people are linked to the profitability of Linux for companies which is a function of popularity.
Your point is a very important one. The numbers have to come up so that manufacturers notice. It might make the difference in a laptop designer choosing a well-Linux-supported wifi chip, instead of a shitty, closed chipset like Broadcom. When the price-per-unit difference is pennies, knowing that you’re potentially losing some thousands of customers in exchange for saving a few cents per unit can make the difference in how you choose.
It also matters in user choice in the workplace. The more normalized Linux is, the more likely there will be skills in IT support, more mass-management tools, and more willingness to allow employees to choose their OS.
But where it really matters is in standards. Diversity puts pressure on software developers to use standardized and open data exchange standards. I can’t emphasize enough how important diversity in OSes is to driving creation of, and conformance to, standards, and how much of an anathema to standards monocultures are.
Even within OSS this is true: github and git have become monocultures; they aren’t standards, they’re tools developers are forced to use if they want to interact with the wider development world in any meaningful way. They’re not bad; git became dominant largely because github used to be so fantastically better than anything else available at the time; but now, their very dominance stiffles diversity and innovation. Want to try the rather exciting pijul, the patch-based spiritual successor to darcs? Fuck you, because you won’t be able to collaborate with anyone, and you repos won’t work with any proglang module systems like cargo or Go modules, because it isn’t git[1]. Monocultures are bad, whether they’re evil corporation software, or FOSS.
Higher Linux use increases diversity, encourages data format standards, and creates a healthier ecosystem. That’s why these numbers are important.
[1] Go and Rust’s cargo support more VCSes than git, but they could easily not, and I’m sure the maintainer’s of the vcs code wish they could drop support for some of the long tails - and everything that isn’t git is on the long tail at this point. There are attempts at creating some standards around this; ActivityPub has tossed around ideas, forgefriends has been trying for a breakthrough for years - none of them address the root issue of how tools can access sourcecode efficiently in a way abstracted from the underlying vcs. Any such tool currently must have some bespoke code to speak the network language of the vcs, for every vcs. And since git is the most popular, when faced with the daunting task of supporting N vcses, when N-1 of them are in toto used by a small percent of users, it’s just easier to support only git.
You’ve never understood how support works? It doesn’t matter that it’s harder to find apps that work on Linux than windows and Mac? It matters less to me than most people but it definitely still matters
I use Debian btw
This year I went back to 100% Linux for my computers. I’ve kept my primary PC with Windows just for games but with the advancements that Proton has made to WINE it hasn’t been necessary. The only thing I miss in being able to use Affinity Publisher and Designer on the computer and not just my tablet.
Same here. Thanks to Proton and SteamDeck, things have reached a point where I can find plenty of things to play without keeping a Windows license around.
Last time I did it was 2008 or 2009, the only game I played much was World of Warcraft and it ran great under WINE at the time. I don’t remember exactly why I switched back to windows back then but it was probably games. I know I needed it when I got my VR headset back in 2016 but it’s been a while since I sold that. I don’t know if Steam VR works on Linux or not, I want to have a headset again.
Have you tried setting up Affinity Suite with the community guide?
How do they know the percentage, does Linux send info back to somewhere?
your browser tells websites what os youre using
Oh yeah, another thing I’ve to do is find a browser that doesn’t.
librewolf
Yeah, I already use Firefox and the standard add ons, but I wasn’t sure if it was one that gave out user data to websites.
by default it does not randomize the user agent string, because that would make some websites, (eg: download pages) behave weird
I’m part of that I just upgraded two of my pc’s to Linux.
It’s so good that it counts as an upgrade.
I just installed WSL so I can learn Linux before I totally get rid of windows. If anyone has any suggestions for windows users learning Linux I will read them!
I would recommend you to try out Linux in a virtual machine and play around with it. You can watch this video if you don’t know how to set this up. You can do much more with a VM than with WSL. It allows you to basically try any Linux Distribution, whereas WSL only supports a few distros. In a VM you also get a desktop environment by default, whereas WSL mostly restricts you to the terminal. Sure, you can run graphical apps in WSLg, but you still don’t have a Linux desktop. Lastly, it’s much easier to take a snapshot of a VM, and roll back in case you break something.
After you get comfortable in a VM, maybe try booting a Live USB of some Linux distribution. That way you will be able to try it out on your actual hardware.
After that, you can set up dual boot. That way, you can still keep your Windows installation, but also use Linux without any restrictions or limitations.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
You could look at dual boot instead of WSL. YouTube has some pretty decent tutorial. Just make sure you take all tutorials with a pinch of salt; don’t EVER run a command without looking it up first and checking out what it does; and try to find the most recent tutorials you can.
You may also have a local Linux club that can help you get started too 🙂
Dual booting always fucks up my Windows installation. I have to fix it using Linux every time I wanna use Windows.
I assume you’ve got the boot partitions on the same drive? I’ve found it is easier when you have windows on a completely separate drive.
My only other suggestion would be to check out the Arch Wiki on dual booting - it’s a goldmine for working out dual boot issues.
Not so easy when you’re trying to do this on a laptop.
Replacing Windows is always an upgrade
Can’t disagree with that
StatCounter statistics are directly derived from hits—as opposed to unique visitors—from 3 million sites, which use StatCounter, resulting in total hits of more than 15 billion per month.[5] No artificial weightings are used to correct for sampling bias, thus the numbers in the statistics can not be considered to be representative samples.
Didn’t we hit 3% in January this year? At this rate well reach 350% by EOY!
You can download a csv of the market share from 2009, it shows it reached 3% for the first time in jun 2023, there might be some kind of rapid growth in popularity here.
I know it’s a joke, but where did you get that number? If it’s at 3% in January and 4% in February. Either it’s a flat 1% increase/month or an increase of 33%. How else can it be interpreted?
How else can it be interpreted?
Exponential increase that has been slow for decades, but is just now starting to ramp up?
Sure, but the question was how they got to the number. If it was a random big number, then fine, that answers my question, but I was just wondering if there was a reason behind it. Usually when people make that joke they just purposefully misinterpret the trend which is why I went for the 1% or 33%
From the dephs of my ass. But basically it’s been around 2% for decades, then it went from 3 to 4% in a matter of months, so it’s accelerating exponentially very quickly!
You can do funny things with statistics if you just use the wrong fitness function.
Fitness function, nice. Will remember that. Ty :D
