I see it referenced constantly here, not quite as much on Reddit. I know what it means, but just wondering why such the popularity over on this side of the fence?
I’m just glad people stopped inserting the word “literally” everywhere. Literally language enshitification.
This is some sort of 4d chess. With multiverse. And time travel.
And that, everybody, is literally not the correct usage of “enshittification”.
Jk, but for real though, it’s not a direct synonym for “degraded” or “gets worse”. It’s more specific than that.
Plus, “literally” now literally has an alternative definition in the dictionary meaning “figuratively”. So y’know, maybe get over the needless linguistic prescriptivism.
I’m literally a prescriptivist though. But only during reverse office hours.
The problem is that when a word means one thing and it’s anonym at the same time, it does make it hard to tell which one they’re using. Usually it’s easy to tell, but not always. It’s not about prescriptivism, rather utility. I’m fine with language changing, but I hate losing useful words.
Agreed. Happy for language to change but what word do I use to tell people I’m not exaggerating?
genuinely is a pretty good one
It’s the reason we are all here…
It’s not unique to Lemmy. I’ve heard it on other platforms first before here
Yup I’ve been seeing it everywhere in YouTube comments and other social media, too.
While there are thousands of communities on Lemmy, there are a few topics that get a lot of attention. Linux/programming is one of those, and the enshittification trend is particularly pronounced in the tech sector. Another big topic is workers’ rights and other grass-roots movements, which again deal largely with fighting against corporate greed (embodied in the enshittification trend). The intersection of these two major topics (and possibly others) means you’ll see more of that here right now.
Ah yeah that makes sense. So many tech communities here I’ve noticed. Always put it down to tech people being more willing/able/knowledgable to move to something better!
Along with the views of it’s users it’s just fun to say things like enshitification and the great enshittening
Cause Cory Doctorow is a hero ?
https://mamot.fr/@pluralistic/112038663883385719
- Oh, what was Reddit again ? Ah, yes, that ad driven company that filed IPO and probably fully embraced A.I. by now and is said to be full of bots, and immediately shadow-bans Tor and VPN users since years /s
Cory Doctorow is not a hero. He is a garbage person.
That was a worthwhile read, and had next to nothing to do with Doctorow.
It did, you just failed to acknowledge it.
People here are far more likely to be anti-capitalist, anti-corporate, pro-privacy, etc. those groups all circle the same kind of Cory Doctorow/Matt Stoller/Luddite world where the word enshittification became popular.
Oh wow that’s the first time in a loooooooooong minute I’ve seen someone use Luddite in its pre-corrupted state; I was about to be MAD AS SHIT.
Well that’s because you’re a tech-hating Luddite most likely \s
Yeah since I learned who the Luddites were I’ve kind of fallen in love with them
It’s genuinely criminal how badly their reputations got tarred; when I heard what they were actually about I was genuinely struck like “my god there WERE people who felt the way I do”. Like-- I’m literally a communist, I don’t believe there will ever be a point of human existence where meaningful, dignifying labor has been ‘abolished’; nor do I think we should aspire to that.
Automate away the drudgery, the sinecurial, and the tedious, sure, that’s all well and good and should be done; but that which lets a person create, to make something useful, that they could be proud of? Tech shouldn’t be eliminating that, and that very much feels like the future we’re going toward.
I assume they mean in the original term, that technology should be used to make life better, not to damage peoples employment.
the greatest trick the capitalists ever pulled etc etc
I had no idea myself until just recently. The 99% Invisible podcast had a decent episode about it which I listened to that helped put it all into context.
The short story is that it was a labor movement trying to prevent mill owners from abusing workers by using automation to bleed the maximum productivity out of the fewest people. The Luddites would break into mills and smash the “infringing” machines. Tensions rose, the Luddites were eventually crushed, and the term Luddite was intentionally rebranded by capitalists to be synonymous with ignorant/anti-intellectual so that no one would ever want to associate with them again.
The Luddite is an anticapitalist blog https://theluddite.org
Happy to! I can see why someone would be confused 😂
It’s funny that you used the phrase “this side of the fence”, because the fence in that metaphor is exactly the line marking the territory of “enshittification” and “anti-enshittification” ^^
I’d guess because since reddit accelerated it’s enshitification, the people who really cared about it moved to lemmy. The people who didn’t care as much stayed behind. So the people over here care about it much more.
It is enshitification!
It’s itshittification.
*it’shittification
Its not that big of a deal
That’s what they said at the start of enshittification. Spelling and grammar actually do fucking matter and I don’t care who hates me for my opinion this time
I just couldn’t couldn’t help myself from replying to them** with another incorrect use of its.
Uhoh I think I’m having another stroke
Scratching an itch about its it’s usage today. /j Have a nice day! :)
Here’s some chaos English for others to read if they had not done so. Yes, it’s about pronunciation but possibly still relevant.
Because we’re seeing the enshittification of Lemmy itself. Like the snake eating its tail, or the human centipede feasting on its own digested shit, Lemmy is becoming the very thing it likes to harp on about.
You can’t have enshittification without the profit motive, lol.
Because Lemmy is one attempt to do the exact opposite. Seems pretty obvious to me.
Also, Cory Doctorow’s troll army is working full time.*
*(Just joking but I refuse to do the sarcastic cute S thing)
I saw him live at Defcon without knowing who he was. I really liked his talk. Defcon itself was shit though.
So you wrote a whole sentence instead? 💀
You’re damn right I did.
It’s not about effort - it’s a matter of aesthetics.
Leave it to a sh.ithead to be afraid of using fucking tone indicators. That’s dedication to being a regressive sh.itbag.
Cause it’s one big part of why the Fediverse and Lemmy exist in the first place.
We wouldn’t need all this decentralization overhead if centralized sites were trustworthy and focussed on serving their users. The fact that they are not is what leads to privacy violations and enshittification, hence why people created the Fediverse and why we are here (at least most of us I presume).
New word for old phenomena
Selection bias. Lemmy users by default are probably more sensitive to/negative about enshittification than those on reddit.
Many of us came here in response to the enshittification of reddit.
The term “enshittification” is a useful neologism because without it we’d need half a sentence to get the same concept across.
I’d argue most of us are older but not too old to remember what the internet was as well.
What age is that 30-40?
“What shit are you talking about?” asked the Redditors as they gleefully wallowed in the shit.
