Edit 2: to everyone suggesting an SDD: i know. Look, if this guy had enough $$$ for an SSD, he could buy a used lappy less than half the age of this one that has an ssd and 2-3x the memory.
Currently, my buddy has a budget of $0, and, if he ever has money to spend, it will be on a newer computer, not upgrading this one. Thx!
My buddy’s old laptop was useless running Windows 7. I wiped it, put on Linux Mint (MATE), and it’s humming along just fine.
Edit: I really love helping people out like this. This guy is in his late 60s and has no other computer. He told me he hasn’t been able to use it in years (I believe it!), so I told him I could wipe it and make it usable again. He was thrilled!
After trying LM Cinnamon, I found it was a bit too much for this machine (Core 2 Duo “Penryn” @ 2.3GHz, 2.77GB Memory, Intel Series 4 Integrated Graphics). I reinstalled with LM MATE, and found it more responsive. I did the standard secondary installation of all the goodies like multimedia codecs, TTF support, battery tweaks, etc. I set up snapshots and the firewall, and installed UBlock Origin in Firefox. I updated everything. Shockingly, the battery still gets about 90-120 minutes, which blows my mind. The damn thing is 18 years old!
So, it’s still slow to launch stuff, as it’s running off of a slow HDD, but it manages to run most things just fine. It’s certainly far more responsive than Win7, and it enables my buddy to enjoy safe, secure, and modern web browsing (which is pretty much all he uses it for).
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Warms my crusty heard seeing tech saved from a landfill. Good job
Does he know how to use Linux?
That’s awesome! Good for him. You’re a good friend.
He apologized profusely for putting me out so much for all the work I put into it. I just told him: some guys like to work on old cars as a hobby to unwind. And some people like to work on old computers.
The benefit is that, with old computers, I can take your old computer into my garage, fix it up, and then hand it back to you without feeling any obligation about doing it for free.
It’s not a fucking car.
I set up a linux laptop for my three year old. He plays Putt-Putt, Commander Keen, and Wolfenstein 3D. You’re never too old to get into computing!
You’d have a bigger impact by putting a modern SSD in there, even if SATA.
AkTuALly:
In this particular instance, due to the microscopic amount of memory in the machine (even for the day, when 4GB was considered “minimum”, this lappy has… 2.77GB?), more memory would probably impact performance just as much as an SSD.
But, yeah, and SSD would increase app launch performance and other HDD-centric tasks a great deal. But more memory would allow more apps to cache in active memory and quick-launch after first-launch. This might be a better and more cost-effective “first upgrade” before going SSD.
Also, this dude is in no position to spend money on this machine, so I’m doing what I can to make the most of what he has.
I’m guessing it has 3GB of ram and 256MB is being eaten due to being shared video memory.
Just playing devils advocate but a faster drive would allow better page caching even with the low ram which is probably already happening on that terribly slow HDD.
Sufficient memory = very little/no paging
And it would be cheaper (for this vintage of ram)
You’re not wrong, but it’s a matter of priorities: the memory is the biggest problem with this machine and it can’t be made up for with any other resource, except, sometimes, swap/paging. But more memory is the answer to that issue, not an SSD, and more memory would solve a lot of other performance issues that only more memory can solve.
But, of course, an SSD would bring many of its own benefits (including, yes, faster paging/swap). These, however, are far less likely to benefit this particular user, especially considering that they’re more expensive.
Helped a guy and reduced landfill waste, all in one move. Time well spent.
Replace that HDD or your buddy will soon wake up to grub rescue 😌
Silly question but what do ya’ll use to get that fancy summary?
thanks!
We have a crazy old laptop that we used to watch movies on when I was a child. That now also runs Linux Mint really well.
I think a slim Fedora KDE would also be very fine, as Cinnamon is really quite painful to use. But they have a really nice set of user friendly minimal apps.
Nothing I would recommend to people switching from other OSes though, as its just too minimal and especially Nemo is awful. Like, no link support??
Any reason MATE over Xcfe? Just curious if the performance is close or MATE is better at things, not trying to question your decisions. I have a >9 year old PC at this point and installed Cinnamon on it but was finding it a bit laggy. I tried out the other editions but am sticking with LMDE for now, but sort of feel like I don’t really need nice animations, I just need more CPU for faster compile times, haha
XFCE is so ugly and clunky, I wouldn’t ever suggest that a Linux novice ever use it. It’s fucking horrific. It’s a user interface you choose when you have no other choice and are just that desperate. Suffice to say, I wasn’t that desperate.
It was important that this user have an interface that he could navigate easily, an XFCE was not that interface, nor will it ever be.
Edit. I should note that this may be colored with some personal bias I have against XFCE. I just don’t like it and only use it when forced to. So, ya know, keep that in mind…
Definitely bias against XFCE.
EndeavourOS switched their default desktop from XFCE to KDE and I think it looks worse. They switched for toolkit reasons, not UX. The XFCE desktop look is heavily themed, very modern, and I think quite beautiful ( though a little purple for some tastes ).
I have another XFCE box that is practically pixel for pixel themed to look like Windows XP. This is just novelty value of course. Even if you do not like XP, it is hard to argue that it was a UI that normal people hated.
I agree that the “default” XFCE look is not great.
Here is the EOS XFCE desktop: https://github.com/endeavouros-team/endeavouros-xfce4-theming
Here are a few more themes including clones of both macOS and Windows 10: https://itsfoss.com/best-xfce-themes/
Then what about LXQT?
It would look fucking amazing.
A little trick you can do if your friend experiences too much memory limitations when browsing the web is to use the 32 bit version of firefox. I use it in a machine with only 2gb, and it helped a lot.
Switch out the swap file for zram
Cute. what breed is this dog?
I’ve been putting together a lot of old laptops for friends and family, so here’s my opinion based on my experience:
Your CPU speed is ok (that CPU scores 932 passmark points, which is ok for dekstop usage and youtube at 360p (you should set up his youtube at 360p, and to not autoplay). If this was Chrome, that cpu could do 480p, but firefox is much slower than chrome on youtube. The difference in speed is not visible on fast systems, but it is visible on very old ones (anything less than 1500 passmark points).
Your biggest problem is the RAM. You have only 2.77 GB of RAM, which is NOT enough for normal web browsing in this day and age – if you’re using lots of tabs. The moment you will open more than 2-3 tabs with heavy websites (e.g. facebook, nytimes, and linkedin), you will start swapping like crazy with Cinnamon. So your user will always have to be conscious of what apps they have open (and make sure you configure 4 GB of swap too, just in case).
Mate and XFCE should be using less RAM, indeed (about 600-800 MB instead of 1.3 GB on Cinnamon). I find XFCE more stable personally, and it only uses 100 MB more RAM than Mate on average. The only good thing Mate has over XFCE is that it comes with a user administrative gui app. I usually install that on xfce (“mate-user-admin”).
