Additionally, what changes are necessary for you to be able to use Linux full time?
My main issue was trying to get two monitors to work. I followed some guides on how to update the drivers and each time it broke to the point that it would only be a black screen. Not even a terminal to help troubleshoot.
I have a 3080 12GB and can’t use it on Linux. After about a week of trying I gave up.
He’s not wrong. I do regret going Nvidia.
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I could never get my bluetooth microphone to work under Linux, and I was having to input my password many times every day just to accomplish simple tasks. Couldn’t even make the password into a PIN, that wasn’t allowed for some reason.
Skill issue.
Kidding lol. It sounds like you just picked a bad distro. I run EndeavourOS and I can make 1 character pins if I want.
If you’re talking about using sudo you can edit your sudoers file to make it so that whenever you use sudo in a terminal session you don’t have to use the password for the remainder of that session. It’s not an immediately obvious solution to most people so I’m not saying this to downplay your experience by any means, just letting people know this stuff is changeable
Broken bootloader.
Not all of them. Some of them don’t work due to outright refusal from developers to support anti cheat on Linux.
What does anti-cheat mean in this context? Game developers don’t want to code measures to prevent cheating on Linux so they don’t support it at all?
Stuff like East Anti Cheat needs to have support for Linux essentially turned on. Otherwise the game won’t run even if WINE/Proton can run the game fine. I think a lot of devs don’t bother because they don’t know Linux in case OS specific support might be required, and the market was fairly small up until the Steam Deck came out.
For an example. A few weeks after the Steam Deck came out, suddenly Apex Legends and a few other games could be run on Linux without anti-cheat issues. The developers just turned on a switch and made a new build essentially.
For the longest of time is Linux users were mostly just told that people use Linux to cheat in games and that’s not really the case.
Overall though there is no real reason why anti-cheat software shouldn’t be able to work on Linux.
Multiplayer games often use a third party anti-cheat software. Some of them work on Linux, some of them don’t. What the previous commenter was referring to specifically is that some anti-cheat, like easy anti cheat has been updated to work in proton, but it requires that game developer push out an update to enable that functionality. Some do, and some (Bungie) have outright refused to do it, and even threaten bans for players that try to play on Linux.
Some don’t even need to. EasyAntiCheat and BattlEye both have support for Linux and it’s up to the devs to enable support (or upgrade to a version that supports Linux). But in some cases, the companies just refuse to support it (Bungie with Destiny 2 for example)
Valve has contributed a lot into Proton for the Steam Deck which makes it great for Linux users.
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Did you ask yourself why the wifi driver was missing?
Quick! Deploy Xwayland before it’s too late!
This reminds me of how I discovered that building a Linux kernel is actually super easy if you just need to add a few drivers
mostly because I had to stick on Windows for video games. and for now, the amount of effort I’m already putting into making Windows functional when it’s supposed to work out of the box, makes me scared of going back to Linux. Mostly a worry about changing so many habits and diving back into the unknown
If you do try Linux:
- buy hardware that’s supported. For some things (storage) virtually everything works. For others, (video cards, latest-gen wifi) you need to make sure it’s supported out-of-the-box. It’s not worth the headache of trying to get it to work unless you just like geeking out.
- if some piece if software or hardware doesn’t work, it doesn’t work. If you spend more than a half hour (or whatever your limit is) trying to get it to work, just say to yourself ‘not available on Linux right now’ and move on. Linix has way more access to beta and alpha-level stuff, and that can make it tempting to try to fix whatever problem. Just don’t bother.
That said, most of the systems I use Linux on, it just works.
It crashes at random times without any forewarning. One moment I’m browsing lemmy, the next moment I get a black screen and the computer starts to reboot. Also sometimes after waking up from hibernation, the computer freezes, not even switchting off/on caps lock works in those moments. It doesn’t matter which distribution I use, they all crash on me (tried Fedora, EndeavourOS, Debian). I guess Linux isn’t compatible with my hardware, but I don’t know how to fix it or where to start.
I’m actively trying to switch to Linux, so it’s not from a lack of effort.
The main two reasons are Photoshop and scanning. I’m a photographer, and I’m scanning and restoring old photos of the family. There’s no decent alternative to Photoshop, especially now that it has the neural filters, so editing and colouring photos is in a different league.
As far as scanning goes, I was getting better results in Windows 20 years ago. I’ve got an Epson scanner, and the software can automatically crop, as well as restore the colour balance of a photo. Using Linux, I was lucky to get more than a dodgy .bmp through an interface that would have looked clunky in the 90s. I could open it in GIMP, but then couldn’t save as a jpeg without either exporting the file or installing addons.
On top of problems like these, there are issues that crop up because of an apparent need to be different to Windows.
My Xubuntu server won’t let me resize windows unless I grab the top left corner. Any other edge of the window is apparently half a pixel thick, and too small for my mouse to register.
Smooth scrolling by clicking the mouse wheel has been replaced with the paste command, as if pasting into a browser window is something that people do dozens of times a day.
Mint’s settings window constantly resizes itself, no matter what I set it to. I can resize it, open a setting then click back, and it’s back to the default size again!
The universal paste keyboard shortcut, ctrl & v only works in some programs. Others need shift, ctrl, and v!
Silly little things like this spoil my workflow and take me out of what I’m doing. They’re the minor annoyances that frustrate people and encourage them to switch back to Windows. Yes, they can probably be changed, but why were they changed in the first place? I could paste with ctrl v in DOS 6.22 and could trust a window not to resize itself in Windows 3.1, long before any modern distro was dreamed up, so why are the basics different?
Following a long how-to to install/configure something, just to get to step 99 and have the command not work, and not being able to find the solution.
Don’t give up, it’s easier than it seem you just don’t know how to do it yet
My laptop’s trackpad doesn’t work in linux and I keep losing my mouse.
I used Linux desktop as my work rig for a year and a half. I absolutely hated it, had constant problems and lost time almost every day to stupid workarounds. When I tried to search or ask for help the answer I was usually met with was “your hardware is wrong” or “why do you want to do that” or more often than no “you’re using the wrong distro, you should use [different one every time]”. I also found the UI to be quite ugly and often obtuse, you can tell that there’s very few open source UI/UX designers. I switched back to windows and I’ve had better performance and less bugs.
Do you feel like you ever got over the initial setup period? A lot of what you are describing is what I encounter after a fresh install but I don’t typically have any issues after a little bit of tweaking.
Maybe because it was a work laptop I didn’t spend as much time on setup as I would for a personal computer. There’s were a lot of issues that I solved with tweaking at the start, but many of the lingering issues either had no solution or were so intermittent or complex that I couldn’t figure out how to word it in a way that would lead me to the solution.
Basically photoshop and games. I was dual booting and when I switched computer it wasn’t worth reinstalling because I spent most of my time in windows. This was a long time ago.
Now that windows is moving into subscription basis I keep thinking I should try getting into linux again but I don’t have the time to fiddle around making stuff work.
You’ve got a good point regarding Photoshop. Gimp exists on Linux, but I find it immensely powerful but hard to wield.
Gaming with the Steam Desk has gotten better for Linux with the introduction of Proton and I imagine this’ll only improve.
You can see if your favorite game is supported with Proton here.
Thanks!
Apart from Steam I mostly use consoles for gaming these days so it would only be Photoshop I guess ( I think ms office works on Linux now?). Gimp is cool but it still can’t do everything photoshop does and I find the GUI counterintuitive.
The one thing I still do use Linux for is booting with a thumbdrive when a computer running Windows has a meltdown.
I find the community can be toxic at times; instead of helping newcomers or treating each other nicely, the community can be toxic and alienate the people they want to use Linux.
Microsoft “community” is a bunch of salarymen who’s job is to try to empty your pocket and boost the company profits at your expenses. Linux community is people helping you for free.
Straw man and whataboutism at play.
I never made any claims about Microsoft Community. My only complaint was that the Linux community can be toxic at times.
You’re attempting to misrepresent the argument with whataboutism while not refuting anything I said.
This is entirely valid and unfortunate.
I’ve used Ubuntu as at least a dual booted daily driver since 2016 and have also discussed with friends and family about what they liked and hated about it when they have used it, how they use their computer and whether they would swap. Here are some observations from that:
Hardware Issues and stability: For the most part, I’ve not really had to deal with hardware issues outside of trying to get NVidia graphics cards to play nice with everything else. However, I often have weird system stability issues or just plain quality of life. E.g. 2-in-1 decides randomly when put into sleep mode to flip the screen to a random orientation which I then have to go into settings to revert back. I’m used to buggy and annoying software, but for a lot of people this is a complete killer. Similarly, while I love the diverse options within Linux, having so much diversity means that troubleshooting and testing is so much more complex and you will usually have to go over multiple answers in order to solve your problem making it much harder to get into and use reliably
MS Office: This one tends to be the largest reason in my experience for people not going over to Linux. For a lot of people this is their main use for a computer and the fact that it is not available on Linux is a deal breaker. I’ve tried the online version and it is just not a viable alternative (nor is any cloud option). Similarly LibreOffice is a lot better than nothing, but the UI feel like it came out of the 90s, Latex is faster and easier to use than the math input, I never have been able to get referencing to work, drawing tools are lacking if they even exist at all. Opening office documents breaks all the formatting and looks awful, etc etc.
Games and other windows software: While I think value has done wonderful work in encouraging developers of games to support Linux and Proton does work quite well, you never quite know how a game will perform on Linux and if it will even work, whereas on Windows you can guarantee it has been tested and will work well. Similarly for other software: Will this work on Wine or Crossover? Maybe or maybe not but it’s a bit hard to swap if you are paying large amounts for software just to find out it cannot run on Linux.
A reason to move: I think Linux will always remain fairly niche as for most people there just isn’t a good enough reason to move over from Windows or Mac. These platforms already offer them everything they want in a computer in an easy to use and polished way. For most people, they really don’t care that windows is constantly spying and with ads everywhere already, what is a few more ads or that the cost of a Mac and is absolutely extortionate. Moving across would require a whole bunch of troubleshooting and learning how to do just about everything all over again and that would require a really good reason to do which Linux doesn’t (and possibly can’t ) provide and MS and Apple haven’t done anything stupid enough to offer.
