Using proprietary chat apps like Discord, Telegram, Slack, LINE, Meta’s WhatsApp / Messenger. Still judging on apps that require a SIM & mobile OS (like Android) primary device like Signal… or an expensive chat protocol like Matrix.
Hosting your code & bug tracker with a propietary forge like Microsoft GitHub when you say you support open source—but don’t even bother to apply the same mentality to your own project.
…Oh, the question was “secretly”.
Wait, if not Matrix, what is a good software for this? I thought it was preferred for having an E2E encryption implementation.
If you’re the type that that doesn’t like the kind of energy wasted for cryptocurrencies, you will be suprised that the eventual consistency the whole network is copying all message, all attachments of all users per host. This is also why it takes on the order of minutes to just join a new room or freshly launch an app as all of this syncing needs to happen. This also causes the self-hosting to be priced out as medium-sized (in terms of users) or low-spec hardware cannot keep up with neither the CPU/RAM nor storage space required to maintain a node on the network… which is pretty wild for mostly text in 2024. This causes folks to host their own single-user instances, or in reality almost everyone flocks to Matrix.org or a server Matrix.org hosts (or unfederates only serving to those on the host which is one way). With all of this centralization, almost all metadata ends up in the hands of Matrix.org (maliciously or not) due to the design of the protocol needing to have the entire history of everything. Copying Slack/Telegram/Discords UX in this sense was not the best call. Eventually consistency does add a resilience & uptime guarantee, but technically I don’t think those cost outweigh the benefits in most cases.
End-to-end encryption (E2EE) is important, but it’s not always required. Many rooms are purposefully public so IRC(v3) fits most basic needs (tho I am not a fan of needing pastebins & separate image uploads). In the case of these encryption algorithms, almost everything is using the same double-ratchet encryption seen in Signal for DMs (provided you can verify there isn’t a backdoor via source code availability). If you need more features like E2EE or reactions or threading or pasting source code, XMPP is & has been the gold standard. It treats chat as ephemeral (while still having history, archiving, & no need for bouncers) where missing an old messages isn’t seen as the end of the world. Important, long-lived announcements & information should be in the Atom/RSS feed, mailing list, or forum (or Movim if you want this task on the XMPP network via PubSub) as these are the proper platforms for these tasks (we know how horrible searching a massive chat room is UX-wise… it’s basically gone in many cases, & in the case of proprietary systems is in a literal knowledge black hole). XMPP was built to run efficiently on machines from last decade so it is just as lean in both clients & servers now saving you money, data, storage, battery.
SimpleX is a project worth following, but I am not too sure how it handles ephemeral vs. eventual consistency & it is also far too new to have multiple clients & a proper decentralized community. Maybe this will come with time, but I am only keeping tabs on it for now.
Oh, yikes, that does seem poorly-designed for the majority of use cases. Thank you for taking the time to write that up and recommend alternatives, I really appreciate understanding it better.
There are advantages, but I think a lot of folks are tracing trends in this space (including trying to copy Slack/Telegram/Discord rather than be better or strip the bad parts out). Newer ≠ better.
I have an XMPP app on my phone and I am so sad it isn’t more popular, because it is sooo responsive and clean.
Super easy to use, looks fairly modern, and it’s freaking fast.
Well, we start be organizing the folks of Lemmy to understand the values of the old protocols instead of trying to chase the shiny new ones. “Ain’t broke, don’t fix it”
The speed of their windshield wipers.
Yes! It’s barely spitting outside, why are your windscreen wipers trying to break the sound barrier?
People who write “rouge” instead of “rogue”.
I see that alot.
^ ^ ^ ^ that’s my trigger
Defiantly agree 🙃
Makes me RED with anger!
Or people who are so “weary” of danger.
Or who write: your welcome
While tattoos have become more acceptable over the years, I can’t not secretly judge people that have hand or above the neck line tattoos. Of course the placement, style, and number all play a part in my judgement :) Tattoos on any other body parts don’t trigger me though.
Casual fossil fuel use. Not work related shit, but asking me to drive an hour to you to chat because you won’t learn discord is demoralizing. I know that it’s not a big source of CO2, but it adds up and the same people who do it also throw food out, don’t fix anything and don’t demand more action from their politicians. They RP as revolutionaries, but don’t do anything.
Whenever another guy recommends something I find repulsive, for various reasons, I tend to write off most respect I had for that person.
Lately some guys have talked positively about Andrew Tate, and it’s just made it easier for me to know who is a gullible prick and who to avoid.Their choices with tech, choices in consumerism (Stanley Cups hype, hypebeast brands, Temu shit, etc), not using blinkers, amount of time spent staring at phones, hobbies
Talking loudly on the phone, while on public transport.
I was at the Secretary of State and this guy was playing a Switch with the volume on full blast.
I judge people quietly for smoking.
Or from where
Roasting a bone in a crowded theater is shitty, but I don’t care outside. If you are smoking a jay outside, more power to you. However, habitual cigarette smoking is what I find to be worthy of judgement.
It’s the most disgusting smell. I’d rather stick my nose in a dirty diaper than stand next to someone smoking.
Quite a few;
literally
- if one repeats this in 5 seconds in a conversation.
like
- not against saying like, but when is used in “describing” you will be judged.
obvi
- ugh, I just hate this.
legit
- When I hear legit, all I see is insecurities. DO YOUR RESEARCH, TRUST YOUR GUTS.
And yes, I’m millennial.
You feel me?
not against saying like, but when is used in “describing” you will be judged.
Wait, so you just hate similes?
so you’re fine using ‘like’ as, like, a pause word, but not in similes?
Ohh I see you’re missing out on the fun side of “legit” Because this is what I am thinking when somebody says “legit”
Also isn’t it some kind of skateboard term from the 90’s? “Broooo that 720 was legiiit 🤙”
“Like” is a critical one for me. As a non native speaker it’s just so tempting to use. Like in the above example. I would have 100% introduced that direct speech with Like
People who don’t like cats.
I’ve noticed a correlation between people who don’t like cats and having narcissistic or selfish tendencies. Could be just an impression but that’s how I feel.
Interesting observation. I think most cats demonstrate Machiavellian narcissistic traits.
Oh boy, does this also hold for people who don’t like any pets?
Huh, I kinda feel the opposite. You need (or at least SHOULD) be very attentive to a pup. Dogs, in general, tend to crave/require more attention. Cats are more hands-off, so they often attract the kinda people who want a pet for the sake of having a pet - which tend to be narcissistic types.*
*not true of all cat people
In my experience dog owners often like to control another being, cat owners like to just let others be.
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From my experience, they’re usually very nice people that really enjoy all animals
Interesting. My reasoning is that narcissistic people crave attention, which cats may not give so overtly as a dog. Basically for a dog, a person is a god and some people love that kind of relationship.
I’ve definitely seen multiple people talk about how they view it as a red flag when people like dogs but not cats because cats are mean. Their reasoning is that dogs will love you no matter what but cats have to want to get attention. The argument is that people don’t understand boundaries/consent.
I see their logic, but I think it’s looking a bit too far into it. Yellow flag maybe, not red.
Someone who doesn’t like cats is a red flag for me for one simple reason:
I have cats! They’re not going anywhere, either, so this probably isn’t going to work out lol.
This is my narcissistic neighbor’s behavior. He has 2 dogs, but he treats them like objects and not as part of the family. He absolutely hates cats for no real reason.
It’s a massive red flag. I had to help his ex wife escape from him because he’s a DARVO type abuser.
I love cats. Other peoples’ cats.
I will never own my own cat because I don’t want to accept the burden of responsibility that responsible pet ownership demands.
I don’t like cats, mainly for two reasons:
- I am allergic and they just make me feel bad on a physical level
- Cats, as any animals, require care, and responsible owners add it to the list of their burdens. It’s like constantly having a baby that never grows up - cats can wake you up in the middle of the night, force you to remove feces, etc.
I, however, love people, and am far from being selfish or narcissistic. People around me often find me warm, comforting, and supportive.
I don’t think they mean “people who wouldn’t have cats as pets”, there are tons of valid reasons not to want cats as pets, such as the two you described, and I wouldn’t say that you “don’t like cats” given those two reasons
So people who don’t like cats are cats
Pronouncing the word “cache” as “cash-eh”
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cacher does, but cache as in “cache-toi !” (go hide!) and “je me cache” (I’m hiding) are pronounced “cash”.
Besides, “correct” pronunciation in a different language is pretty meaningless. The word may have come from French but we’re speaking English, not French.
Also, it might not be a loan word so much as a legacy-of-foreigners-taking-over word (c.f. the Normand invasion of Britain), which doesn’t tend to help the language’s users care about respecting the “original” pronunciation. I’m not certain when exactly cachet entered English.
From the Mirriam-Webster website:
A cache is a group of things that are hidden, and is pronounced like “cash.” Cachet can mean “prestige,” “medicine to be swallowed,” or “an official seal,” and is pronounced “cash-ay.”
Cache and cachet share a common French root – the verb cacher (“to hide”), which is pronounced \cash-AY\ – but they are pronounced differently and mean two different things
In English, yes. My point is that cache/r/t is the root of both words, the pronunciation changed in english which often happens with loan words, and it certainly is OK to use the local pronunciation – but correcting someone who uses the correct pronunciation of that word, with self-righteous indignation even, is very silly behavior.
“But we’ve been pronouncing it wrong for 300 years!”
If we said every loan word the way they were originally pronounced in their various native languages then English wouldn’t exist.
Perhaps, probably not - not my point though. My native language has a lot of English loan words with local pronunciation, which is the correct pronunciation of those words in my language according to any dictionary, however to indignantly correct someone using the original english pronunciation for saying it “wrong” would just be bizarre.
Cool story bro. How about this, you continue to say cache however you want and I’ll continue to silently judge you for it and we can all just move on with our day?
👍
What if I pronounce the word “caché” as “cash-eh”?
Cashay is a stripper name.
Yes
Or data as dada
People that blow their nose in a rag and then just put that shit in their pocket, ready for next use…
Eating meat although they’re fully aware, that we have to shift completely away of that (GHG emissions, land-use), and then blame the government that they need to regulate this more.
Yes more government regulations would be great, but it’s one of the few individual things that have effect, if everyone would think similar. And a vegan or mostly vegan diet is not really worse in taste and likely more healthy as well… Eating meat is not sustainable (nor morally justifieable), it should be a thing of the past…
And from the downvotes I conclude that this will remain a mostly secret judge. It’s sad, that you don’t see it yet, this will very likely be the future whether you like it or not (when we don’t fuck it up completely, but I’m somewhat hopeful).
The argument that meat is cheaper is also not really true anymore. There’s basically no reason to eat meat anymore. Matter of fact, I developed a distaste to meat when I mostly stopped with eating meat, after eating way too much before (tastes kind of rotten compared to plant-based), try it out, it’s easier than you think, and gets easier over time.
As long as the alternatives keep getting tastier and cheaper, I’m all in. I’m glad it worked out for you, but I didn’t have the same experience when I tried removing meat from my diet. I’ve been able to find substitutes and recipes to eat way less meat, but I still get that need if I haven’t had any for a while. I can’t wait for the day that the alternatives bump off meat completely for me, but for now I’ll consume as little as I can.
I’ve been incorporating mushrooms into a lot more meals where there would be larger portions of meat, so damn tasty.
Yeah mushrooms contain a good amount of umami (one of the ingredients of meat that makes it “tasty”). For me it took quite some time (maybe 2-4 years) until my gut adjusted to the taste of a (mostly) vegan diet. But then there’s just a lot more diversity and interesting taste otherwise. With a good amount of experimentation combining all kinds of different things to compose a unique taste. With meat it’s often just the main taste-defining/dominating ingredient (so kinda boring?). I avoid the highly processed “meat”-replacements though, maybe that helped a bit to get my taste away of meat.
Been vegetarian now for about 4 years, haven’t regretted it yet. I thought I would miss meat more, but I really don’t.
I totally have experienced the random anger and judgment from other people. They hear I am vegetarian and all of a sudden they start either attacking vegetarianism/veganism, or they start trying to defend meat-eating.
On the positive, I’ve never been healthier, and there are more and more restaurants that offer veg/vegan food, or at least options to make it meatless. And I have met quite a few young people that are going veg/vegan, or at least are flex/pescatarian.
