The average person is not deeply aware of this stuff. All y’all don’t have any fucking clue what the average American is like.
Most people are just trying to get through the day. They want to pay their bills and make sure the kids are fed and Sally needs to get to dance class and Bobby has been having problems at school and now the boss wants to get that foundation poured tomorrow so you’re gonna have to stay late, but your wife can’t leave work early to pick up the kids so now you have to deal with that and oh, eggs cost double what they did a year ago and you haven’t gotten a real raise since 2021.
They don’t have time to spend on Lemmy, figure out how to use Linux, learn what a tariff is, or debate the difference between gender and sex, or read about what the Heritage Foudnation does. I do, but I’m not most people and the more y’all keep acting like those people aren’t like you people the more problems you’re gonna keep making for yourself.
Grow the fuck up
You don’t need to bring Reddit energy to lemmy. You don’t need to end your post with “grow the fuck up”. No reason whatsoever why you can’t post and write a reply without resorting to anger or agression.
It might be you who needs to grow up. This is a weird knee jerk reaction.
Non Americans should be able to ask a question about America without being told to “grow up”.
It’s not childish to wonder how much Americans understand about how fucked up their choice of leadership is. We’re not psychic.
They don’t ever browse the internet?
They never watch tv?
And they never have conversations with somebody who has?I’d assume the average american has a rough idea of what’s going on. You’d have to try pretty hard to avoid it.
Of course people are going to prioritise their daily issues and the things that directly affect them, but don’t pretend that nobody ever gets spare time. There wouldn’t be multi-billion dollar media companies if that were the case.
It just seems like people prefer media consumption / escapism over education.
What internet? The one algorithmically controlled by the oligarchs?
What TV? The stations that were purchased years ago by our country’s oligarchs?
What conversations? When everyone around them is being fed the same misinformation, and they treat anyone outside of their bubble as an enemy?
I would not assume the average American has any idea what is going on.
What internet? The one algorithmically controlled by the oligarchs?
TIL that Lemmy isn’t part of the internet
Are you suggesting that the algorithms for every website are pro-trump?
Algorithms mostly care about profit and user engagement.
Go check the front page of reddit and see how most political posts are about trump’s/america’s fuck ups.Sorry, the site that is expressly pro-Trump and has been removing comments critical of the current administration?
Beyond that, I wouldn’t even necessarily describe Reddit as a major player in the U.S. Most Americans are either part of META’s ecosystem or X, and both of those are absolutely pro-Trump.
they treat anyone outside of their bubble as an enemy
There’s the problem.
Damn dude chill.
You can have a life and family and be on Lemmy or Reddit, use Linux, be a weeb or whatever they want.
Most people just choose a side and that’s that.
It’s a like a lazy mental state, I don’t blame them, life is hard and there is so much one person can focus on.
If Trump said that all Americans will become rich, then all Americans will become rich, it doesn’t matter the how or why.
I know people with wife and kids completly oblivious to politcs, but can talk about sports like some kind of experts, telling you all the tactics and player names. Some people just choose to ignore what is important because it’s easier.Bullshit. It’s easier than ever to know what’s going on in the world. There is absolutely no excuse for not knowing how bad things are.
Not being able to do much of anything about it due to having to deal with day to day concerns, I get. But as an excuse for being ignorant? Absolutely not. That’s a deliberate choice.
I think you’re projecting the deliberate choice part. It think a lot of folks can get reasonably caught up in their own lives and not look into things too deep. It’s effort to overhaul your information intake. Lots of folks have very little effort left over after work, and Its is reasonable to assume nothing has convinced them that their news is bad.
I think its easier than ever to get the info, but that still doesn’t mean its easy enough that everyone and their mom automatically knows what they should be paying attention to.
Making these things about personal failings feels very unproductive. There is a lot to focus on in life. It seems better to try and make the subject approachable and comfortable.
I know people, who should know better, that don’t know who to believe. This is when faced with both a verifiable source with a track record of accuracy, and an obviously cunning lone wolf with no substance to their argument.
For every genuine source, there is a dishonest one churning out disinformation faster than the genuine sources can because quality takes longer.
If they didn’t have kids because it was “the next step” in life they would have time.
I’m not from the US - that’s why I’m asking. Thanks for the insights into the lives of US citizens. It’s even sadder than I thought. But rest assured: it’s not like this everywhere in the world. Not yet at least and the rest of the world just needs to see that your horrible government doesn’t force your way of life on everyone - because that’s what Trump and his criminal crew want.
I felt safer roaming in Detroit’s urban decay than traveling through a village or town in a red run welfare state.
Between the media surpression and the fact a lot of people don’t follow the news, or give a shit, i’d say no.
We’re inundated with propaganda. Our media is state run. All for-profit media is state run.
Our media is state run. All for-profit media is state run
Could you elaborate on that take?
Reporting on things outside of the leading party’s agenda are not allowed in broadcast and print media. The leading party in the United States is the ownership class.
Yes to both halves of the question.
Not all liberals. But yeah most. Or maybe I’m more leftist than I thought I was…
Sad but True.
I own guns now. I never did or even considered it until the election results in November.
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Most Americans don’t think about other countries enough to really grasp what you mean by rogue state
You’re one of the few people who actually understood the question. As a result, you’re one of the few who actually got the right answer.
I come from a white suburban middle class background and from what I can tell the answer is no, atleast among this demographic. The main concern is not the threat of fascism but rather how Trump’s policies will affect the economy. Even here there is a certain level of denial. I hear a lot of reassurances that things will bounce back eventually. Most people simply do not get it, especially in the older generations.
I see a lot of people starting gardens or looking to getting chickens to be as self sufficient as they can. Many are holding off on large purchases to save in case “something happens”. People around me who were never interested in firearms and in fact were generally opposed to them are starting to arm themselves at a rapid pace.
Interesting, but not surprising that this doesn’t really answer the question. The question was about whether Americans were aware of how the US was perceived outside its borders.
I bought several fire arms recently and asked the local gun shops in a very generic sense about how sales were. All three claimed traditional winter slow sales and reported no uptick in sales. Also the local pawn shop guy has a ton of guns, there aren’t any ammo shortages, all the paper work is sailed through no delays, the conceal and carry course I was required to take to carry a pistol was no where near full and the instructor said things are slow (but his class did kind of suck it was just the soonest one near me); that’s been my experience the last three months.
I’ve always been interested in firearms, but not interested enough to convince my wife we should own any, well, she’s convinced now! and I never had to say anything, so I agree with your comment.
Good luck with the gardens. I’ve never really been a fan of US gun laws, but now it all seems strangely sensible.
In most of the US they have HOA who likely forbid such things for an absurd fear that a slightly uglier house down in your street will tank your property’s value.
This is the literal, specific scenario 2A was intended to counter. We’ll have to see over the next few years if it works as intended.
I’m not sure thats right. I think the 2A was written in order to enable the US to be able to organize militias to defend itself against foreign invasion as, at the time, the idea of the colonies supporting a standing army was impossible.
It’s both.
Your reply to osaerisxero was correct and made more sense before he ninja-edited.
People invoke 2A usually lie, and the reason to arm themselves is to kill dark skinned people they don’t like.
this was always the reason for 2a: empowering white settlers to “defend” their land (stolen from indigenous people at gunpoint) and property (African slaves held in captivity at gunpoint).
The US don’t have a few years it will probably not exist at the end of the years if nothing is done
Never underestimate how much damage a dying empire can do when lashing out trying to hold on to power. The world needs to prepare to deal with the US for decades if necessary.
A empire will exist for sure but it won’t be the US anymore
It will be called that. But that’s kind of already happened.
It largely depends on the location. For example, in the PNW, especially Western Washington and Oregon, people are very aware of that fact. Many around here are arming, protesting, and becoming more and more self sufficient.
For their part, the Washington State government has sued the Trump administration multiple times, and for now, has blocked some of the executive orders in federal court. Of course, that depends on Trump following court orders, which as we know, he’s more than willing to ignore.
Meanwhile in states like Utah (where some of my family lives), they still have their heads in the sand, and don’t seem to be bothered. Not to generalize, because some people there are aware, but they’re outnumbered by the ignorant public there. Many people there who are aware are either trapped due to financial reasons or are actively trying to leave for blue states.
I have seen that some GOP voters are starting to feel the financial burn, but most of them still try to blame it on Biden.
The only reason I know this is because I’m only interested in one particular firearm and I want to move to WA, but how are you planning to defend yourself with HB1240 in place?
I get that in peace time, 10 bullets per mag and no assault weapons is a generally good policy. But what happens MAGA decides to try to take WA by force?
In the part I haven’t looked up, does WA have a state militia that is not the national guard?
Additionally, you can purchase “parts” bags/kits which are marketed as “repair accessories” for 11+ rd magazines(usually 30 rds for 5.56 and 7.62). These somehow skirt around the law from my understanding. You’re buying the complete mag, but assemble it yourself.
Just get something fairly common and a 10rd compliant mag.
Much of hb1240 also only applies to sales and imports, but doesn’t ban ownership, so you can still have an ar-15 for example if you buy before you move.There’s plenty of higher capacity shit in the rest of the US, if it comes to a point where you need them, they’ll make their way in. Just reach hook up with your local branch of the SRA when you move there.
WA does have a state guard, but it’s like 50 people iirc.
I looked into it. If I buy one before I move, as soon as I bring the rifle into WA, it counts as importing.
What’s the SRA like? I’m not a socialist and am hesitant to be affiliated due to the path the NRA charter
Ah, I didn’t realize that counted as importing, turns out only people who already own one in Washington can bring one in if they previously left the state with it. Guess the answer is either dont do it or don’t get caught. The best answer is to ask a lawyer though. The NRA might have someone you can talk to for free if you’re willing to put up with dealing with them for a little while. Just use a disposable email / phone so they don’t bother you after.
The SRA varies a lot by chapter, it’s not really a national org in any meaningful way, but both the chapters I’ve done stuff with were pretty welcoming to social democrats. What would you describe yourself as? I might be able to give a better answer.
My local chapter is a mix of communists, anarchists, and soc dems. We also do open-invite firearm trainings, and have had some liberals show up recently, but none of them have really stuck around.
If you’re concerned about maga getting violent you’ll find like-minded people in the SRA, at least on that. If you’re open to being in an explicitly leftist space, I’d probably check them out, in case shit does hit the fan, you want to know people you can ally with.
Elizabeth Warren-aligned.
Okay, that’s like the worst answer to be able to tell lol. It’ll heavily depend on what the branch is like. My local one? You’d be welcome, but a couple people would try to radicalize you.
I want to fix a broken system not destroy it and make a new one? IDK what you are looking for lol
Lie and deny
Just buy what you want and shut up about it. Don’t tell or show anyone. If bullets start flying no one will care anymore
Seems like a pretty shitty way to live life
You can decide how you want to live or what you’re willing to die for
Not to encourage this as I am not a lawyer, but mags purchased before the bill was enacted are grandfathered in, meaning that you can still own them, you just can’t buy them. So, if you own any already, you’re likely fine as far as I can tell. I know that some people just go to Idaho to buy them and then they bring them back. Definitely illegal, but mags aren’t tracked in any shape or form so they do it.
The semi automatic rifles themselves, as long as they were registered before the bill passed, were also grandfathered in. I’m not sure if out of state purchases count in that or not, though.
I don’t believe there’s any sort of official “militia”, but the SRA is very active in the region and may qualify as one.
I was not a resident when the law passed so I cannot be grandfathered in
This doesn’t seem to be actually answering the question. The question was about how the US was perceived by other countries, not how Americans perceive their own government.
Huh?
Are people in the US
Are people in the US
Yes, go on…
aware that they are now definitely a rogue state
The question isn’t your awareness of what the government is doing. It’s your awareness of how the US is perceived by the rest of the world. A rogue state is “a nation that is considered very dangerous to other nations”. To answer that question, you have to reference other nations views on the US.
I don’t think I agree, and many in the thread didn’t get that idea. People outside of the US are obviously aware, the title is clearly asking if people inside of the United States are aware. Why would someone outside of the US have to ask if people outside of the US are aware? It makes no sense.
also (emphasis mine):
people in the US aware that they are a rogue state
It makes no grammatical sense if they’re asking about opinions outside of the US.
How can you be this confused?
You’re basically proving the point of this meme.
The question is basically “Are Americans aware of how the world perceives them?”
Possible answers to that question are: “Yes, I read DW news in English, and BBC news too. I’m aware of how the world perceives the US.” Or “No, I can imagine how the world must view the US, but I only read US news so I can only guess.”
I don’t think I’m the confused one here, to be honest with you, as shown by the other answers and upvotes in this thread. You do not have to specify non-US news to know that we’re a rogue state - plenty of US media reports on it all the same. The question is clearly asking if Americans are aware that they’re now a rogue state, and I answered appropriately.
It seems like maybe you don’t want that to be the case, but my answer still stands: Yes, many Americans, especially in the PNW, are very aware of that fact. Americans in red states [the ones who watch Fox news especially] have their heads in the sand. You do not need to consume any media at all to be aware of that fact, it helps, but you don’t require it to acknowledge it.
I fully understand and acknowledge that we’re seen as a rogue state externally, and am painfully aware, as is much of the PNW. It’s the red states that think “we’re the best country in the world, and in fact, the only one that matters”, which is exactly what my first comment was describing. People in blue states are rightfully embarrassed and are trying to distance themselves from the federal government for precisely this reason.
I don’t think I’m the confused one here, to be honest with you, as shown by the other answers and upvotes in this thread
Yes, other people were confused. That doesn’t mean that you’re not confused.
The question is clearly asking if Americans are aware that they’re now a rogue state, and I answered appropriately.
No, what you answered was “How do Americans feel about being a rogue state?” That’s a completely different question, even though it’s the one most people answered.
I fully understand and acknowledge that we’re seen as a rogue state externally
The question was whether Americans in general understood and acknowledged that. I would say no, because most Americans don’t follow foreign news sources. People who are getting their news from Fox News, OANN and Newsmax are probably not aware of that. Instead, they probably think the US is even more respected than ever.
Of course, that depends on Trump following court orders, which as we know, he’s more than willing to ignore.
I think that’s been one of the biggest surprises to this European spectator - that justice can be ignored if you’re powerful enough in America.
We had glimpses of it with the first end-of-term pardons. Then Biden did the same for his son, and Trump released all those who committed treason in his name on his first day of his second term. All those people were fund guilt after due process, but someone can unilaterally say “let them free” and they’re out. I totally understand the lawyer quitting his career when Trump was “pardoned” for his own crimes after being elected. Biggest case of his career, years invested in training and work and he played a blinder - only for it to be turned to nothing.
So we’ve learned that if you’re rich in the US (because rich == powerful there like nowhere else in the world) then you are untouchable by justice. For a country that was literally born from a civil war, that’s a pretty huge failing of its constitution.
To be fair to biden even though his son was guilty there was no way that he was only going to be normally punished. I wouldn’t let my parents be murdered for a drug crime.
I have 5 or 6 friends from all over the USA, all against the Trump administration…first and second.
The West Coast is well aware. I really can’t see anyone in the US not being aware of our country’s wannabe fascist status, even though some will plead ignorance. I’m kind of hoping maybe Oregon, Washington and California will get together and ask Canada if we can join them… with a probationary period of course. No one in their right mind can trust us outright at this point.
No thanks, our conservatives are further to the left than your Democrats, and California has the population of the rest of Canada combined. You can make your own country
I agree about the Democrat party, but I wonder if the regular people of those states aren’t closer to Canadians in their views. If they were to join I imagine the existing party wouldn’t carry over and new ones would need to be organized.
Yea plenty of people in the south are aware too, things aren’t “hidden” this isn’t north korea or turkmenistan… yet. As someone else said we’ve known this is what they want to do for a few years now.
There are some workable solutions inside the nation as well, as the federal system is dismantled. If WA, OR, CA, HI, the tribal counsels, and maybe AZ and NM (if they can play nice) got together, we could do a number of things to shore up the left part of the US.
First, states are not subject to patent. Each could choose a critical, expensive medication and produce it, sharing supply around the compact. Tribes could easily make epi-pens for their share.
Second, tie this into a compact equivalent of a multi-state healthcare that creates a floor healthcare for all citizens. Hawaii could lead this effort, they essentially already have it in their state. Get to the point you can cover people with income up to $70,000/yr california equivalent (based on living expenses) and let healthcare companies create supplemental plans like for medicare.
Third, as trump wrecks FEMA, form compacts for emergency response with mexico and canada and among these states. This is not currently legal but if FEMA is gone, why not just do it and who cares.
Fourth, create cooperative food sharing among states for excess crops. Federal programs just got destroyed, and california has a lot of excess supply. Let the compact members have a market where they can, as states, buy excess for their food programs. Let the program deal as an entity with non-compact states, which isn’t controlling interstate commerce, feds, it’s just the free market at work using the power of liberty to make red states either meet the price or we look outside the US.
A lot of this just recreates existing structures that are being destroyed, but leaves the red states that destroyed them to fend for themselves.
It just makes me very happy that you’ve done some deep thinking on something like this. First real smile I’ve had in a while.
Maybe if us west coasters make life a living hell for Shitler, he’ll sell us to Canada. Just tell him it’s a good business deal. He’s so dumb he might just do it.
Please, Canada! WA and OR would make a lovely drive on your way to CA! We know they’re the big prize but take us too! 😭
Shitler would never let CA go.
CA is the forth largest economy in the world. It would humiliate him to let CA leave the union.
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@DandomRude@lemmy.world @MadeInOregon@lemm.ee
While CO put Lauren Boebert on the world stage, we are generally down to ignore federal authority. Rember when marijuana was illegal? Unfortunately that would require getting Montana, Idaho and/or Nevada on board. Seems unlikely.
Those three states would more than double the population of Canada and overwhelm their political system. I wouldn’t do that if I were them.
American Exceptionalism, Baby!
it fucking poison. i moved to the us from abroad as a kid and spent my adolescence there. moving back to my home country, i quickly realized that i needed to give myself a serious attitude adjustment.
i don’t think many people from outside the us realize just how pervasive fox news is in america. it’s playing on every television in every bar and every airport and just about everywhere else that has a television. it’s non-stop negativity, non-stop arrogance, non-stop disinformation, non-stop convincing people that patriotism is fervent fealty. it’s gotten a bit stale lately to talk about fox, but holy crap their role can’t be overstated in the way things have become.
It’s just like Russia, only that the official main public TV channel is Fox News, and all the others are too.
Guess which US channel is the only one Russian TV ever cites in their propaganda against the democratic West ?
Exactly. Fox News.
Luckily I was only born in that shithole, my family emigrated 30 years ago, when I was a kid. Still, half of them are brainwashed and watch that crap all day. Kremlin TV. It’s all the same bullshit. Hate, cynicism, making fun of liberal values, playing the victim.
Truth is, USA and Russia are two hateful siblings who usually fought but actually are pretty much the same. Cold war was never truly about systems, it was about who is the top dog. Now they realized they can just work together and divide the cake.
I always hated Europe being so under US influence, but it seemed like the lesser evil because Europe also profited from it, cannot deny that.
But now there’s Russia on the right, and Russia on the left. And China can just relax and wait until the dust settles and collect the pieces.
As is typical for the US, 1/3 are deeply aware, 1/3 are in full “patriotic” support, and 1/3 are too distracted by the latest TikTok dance to notice.
And Lemmy is disproportionately representative of the 1/3 who are aware.
If you look at the comments on a random public social media post, you’ll find the delusional third or half.
It basically boils down to where they’re getting their information, or rather, whether it’s information or “information”. A large swath of the population is so propagandized by right wing rag “media” that they are functionally incapable of rational thought.
should have voted democrat i guess
I think there’s another 1/3 - maybe at intersection of them all.
A great many people in shock, and don’t realise this is just America mask-off.
It’s standard American foreign policy and has been for 60 years. The wars they have started, the regime change, it’s all standard. Ask anyone in South America or the Middle East.
*100 years … America has been doing this since before any of the world wars
In a burning house with three people, one is fighting the fire, one is pouring gasoline on everything and one is on the couch watching TV.
I wish 1/3 of the USA were trying to put the fire out… The majority of this third are just watching in horror how the fire consumes their house
They are really earnestly and as hard as they can trying to put the raging fire out with a cheap children’s water pistol that isn’t working very well.
100% this. Every other memper of my family voted for this. I do my best, but they’re so blinded by the media and their own bias that it’s almost impossible to convince them on even 1 topic.
Its incredibly sad and frustrating actually
The fact that you are there and aware of what is happening to your country is hope for change. I always sound doom and gloom in my posts but I’m also hopeful for the change. I’m Indigenous Canadian and my entire life has always felt like failure in everything me and my family has been exposed to for generations. The greatest thing I learned from all of it is to never give up … even in the face of overwhelming odds.
Let’s add a 4th person in there, someone who thinks they’re helping by doing nothing but yelling that the fire isn’t allowed to burn things
More like yelling at the one fighting the fire because they’re getting water everywhere
I really don’t like how y’all just described everybody
“If you had just picked a better water bucket, we wouldn’t be in this mess. It’s your fault if the house burns down.”
If more of you would have voted for Jill Stein, we wouldn’t be in this mess!
/s in case that wasn’t obvious
It’s you. They’re talking about you.
Please, elaborate…
Democrats are the ones criticizing the ones actually trying to put out the fire but doing jack shit about it.
What’s more, they’re the ones who doused the house with gas not a half a year ago, and whenever they’re not delighting in the terror going “oh I bet you must love it, you didn’t vote for the lady with the matches and now you got the guy with the flamethrower” they’re passing his budgets, they’re complying with Musk’s unelected goons, they’re getting on with his Gaza agenda and largely silent about the protestors getting kidnapped.
Asking for donations isn’t resisting, it’s ransom.
I don’t think that applies here. 1/3 in each group is fair for domestic matters. But, OP is asking about perceptions of the US by people in other countries.
In that case, even the 1/3 that is opposed to what’s happening will contain a lot of people with no idea how the rest of the world sees the US. For example, of the 1/3 of Americans who deeply oppose what’s happening, what fraction do you think actually read Le Monde or Deutsche Welle, or are even aware that they have an English-language service?
And, the 1/3 that is fully supportive of what’s happening will contain a lot of people who think that this is improving how the rest of the world sees the US. Sure, some will be aware and will still be defiant in the face of how the rest of the world is reacting. But, others will be watching Fox News or Newsmax and will hear propaganda that convinces them that the rest of the world admires and respects the US more than ever for taking a decisive stand against the deep state.
So, as with anything involving something happening outside the US, I’d guess more than 50% of Americans have no idea what the rest of the world is thinking.
I think in NY we are aware and the state is trying brace for the worse, and I see/hear people starting gardens, getting chickens, and basically have “bug out bags” incase things go sideways.
Very understandable, especially since the president still owes your state half a billion dollars for massive financial fraud - for which he didn’t even go to prison. What actually happened there?
Trump appealed and it’s languishing in the system
What a surprise…
But that still doesn’t explain why the prosecution never brought criminal charges, even though that would not have overturned the civil judgment in the unlikely event of an acquittal - I can only explain that by corruption.
The people cheering it on think it’s patriotism. Then there still seems to be maybe a third of us who think this was just another election we had in 2024.
The rest of us know, and are appropriately freaked the fuck out.
