I’ve posted some controversial stuff, and I understand why I would be getting down voted for that. But I see some of my posts and comments are in the negatives for seemingly no reason at all? I don’t really care about the karma because I can’t see it anyway, but I’m worried that comments and posts here are gonna get downvoted and dismissed without further consideration solely because of the negative score, like what would happen on reddit. I suspect someone, a troll, a bot, or a misclick downvoted my comment or post and people just followed along downvoting in turn. It’s either that, or I genuinely said something bad but I can’t figure for the life of me that it is indeed bad. My prime example is my support post for commenting under certain posts, why did that get the downvotes? And I see this kind of thing sometimes on other people’s comments as well, and I’m baffled, is it me who can’t understand why something is bad, or hive mind came here too?
EDIT: it seems i wasn’t clear enough. a) I’m not worried about getting the actual downvotes. I’m worried about downvotes stopping to be a tool to gauge content. b) I’m not worried about controversial opinions’ downvotes, I already said I’m not surprised I got downvoted there. I was talking about totally mundane posts, like that one support post. c) I’m not talking about people simply disagreeing, I’m talking about people immediately disregarding a post because of the downvote count. it’s not correct to say this doesn’t happen, it totally does and… how am I supposed to prove that? all it takes on reddit is see a comment on 0 for no reason and see it quickly drop to -5
I suppose somebody, who didn’t like what you posted at one point, went through the trouble of down voting all your comments/posts regardless if their content.
might’ve happened, I guess
Who do you think is coming over from reddit. aliens? Cows? It’s humans bro, you’re going to have the same problems as long as it revolves around people and their relationship.
Somehow lemmy is supposed to represent something different while being made up of the same people? This is kind of a silly point to be questioning
bro
I thought we were done with this shit a decade ago, when the internet became so ubiquitous that even my grandmother started using forums and posting on Reddit.
chill, bro
Sad to hear the aliens won’t be joining us.
Voting is garbage. It’s a cancer on all these type sites. Deciding the value of a post only requires basic literacy, and someone else’s opinion is irrelevant. I only upvote posts as a reward to the author. It isn’t for anyone else. Others should read the post and decide for themselves what value it has.
It satisfies a human desire so that’s why they retain voting.
Much prefer old school bulletin forums where you just comment and nasty comments are removed and you may even get a ban.
At a infrastructure level the voting system is distributed content moderation. So that you don’t have to rely on a core group of moderators to flag bad content
Guess it seems to work in very large communities.
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If someone writes a well worded, well thought out opinion that I disagree with what is the proper way to respond? Up vote because it’s a high quality comment? Down vote because I disagree? Reply with my own comment? What if my opinion is already expressed in another comment thread already?
Which posts are you thinking of? I looked at your history, only one post appears to be in the negative, and that’s in c/support which to me suggests you might be posting an already discussed problem.
I had already looked for such a question to avoid duplicates. it also seems looking at accounts from other instances changes how you see the voting
The question you asked was pretty similar to this one:
https://lemmy.world/post/1674334 which had been asked a couple days prior.
And my guess is that vote counts from different instances should look different depending on which instances each has federated/defederated with.
and that was not the issue I was having. nor was the fix working
It’s the same sort of issue, comments not showing up. Which is a pretty generic problem.
It just seems pretty silly to attribute this to a hivemind. Interestingly, when people upvote your posts, you don’t attribute that to a hivemind…
not not showing up, comments not being posted altogether. the post was about being unable to comment on some specific posts from different instances, being able to comment on other posts from the same instances, it has nothing to do with that. and no, I do, the same type of phenomenon does happen with upvotes, just to a minor degree. because downvotes provoke a bigger reaction. I’m an example. I just listed the downvotes cause that’s what I noticed. I was worried about the downvotes because I couldn’t figure out why random comments got downvotes. why do these replies keep having to be this kind of gotcha’s
why do these replies keep having to be this kind of gotcha’s
In two cases in a row, your first inclination has been to claim persecution instead of any “hey, why might people be disagreeing with me?” Maybe, instead of defaulting to “I am correct, why are these people voting incorrectly?” think about how your actions, comments and posts are appearing to others?
I don’t post in c/support community, nor am I really inclinced to read much more of their post history. (Though the community does say to send bug reports to a specific site rather than create a post.)
Instead of sending a bug report in, you’ve made a very short, not particularly descriptive post without examples, without mentioning what client you’re using to browse, not saying when (did this happen during a ddos attack?) This is pretty non helpful from any tech support standard.
So, in my own support work, I would be annoyed if I received this because it means instead of giving me anything useful, I have to coax information out of the client as I would a child.
As to the wider “why are people downvotint/being negative?” I mean, your FIRST reaction to negativity is that everyone else must be a hive mind. Instead of looking for any culpability, you’ve just determined everyone else must be wrong and crazy. That’s more than a little insulting and speaks to a persecution complex. It’s silly when trump does it, it’s sillier when you do it.
You’ve basically accused the Lemmy community of being too dumb for independent thought simply because sometimes your comments are downvoted or disagreed with. Not only is that impressively childish it’s incredibly insulting. No wonder people are primed to disagree with you! I don’t imagine your comments are randomly being downvoted, I imagine you are similarly missing social cues or otherwise being, possibly completely accidentally, a complete dingus.
Instead of accusing everyone else of being too stupid for independent thought, maybe consider what in your behaviour is provoking such a reaction. And be grown up to admit that not everything you say will be upvoted and some of it, will, gasp be downvoted.
I had already addressed everything you mentioned here in the post
100% there’s a hivemind. That’s why I joined lemmy.one, downvotes are disabled to try and stop hivemind downvotings and encourage discussion. On local communities it works well, if only more of the bigger federations disabled them too.
I’m not sure, but I guess there is no real way to address this until we have public downvotes as on Kbin.
Yes, hopefully that comes to Lemmy too
There is (mostly the issue tracker on Github), but at the moment they have bigger fish to fry
I haven’t run across any content that had down votes that I couldn’t understand a reason for. Either whatever was being said was untenable, controversial, negative, or hostile.
Humans have emotions, and certain interactions with people will get a certain emotional response. People are utilizing the downvote to express this. So being blunt, controversial, negative, inciting an argument is going to get these kind of responses. It’s just human nature.
Try not to think of upvotes and downvotes as anything meaningful beyond hey did I make somebody smile by saying this or frown by saying this. And people frown at things all the time
Downvote bots are here as well, though. Recently I was helping someone see whether they are downvoted by bots.
Here’s the post I’m talking about: https://a.lemmings.world/lemmings.world/post/214059
It’s changed in a matter of a week or so. I can’t even believe the drop in quality contribution. It’s actually made me upset. I was so excited, with such sound discourse. But I’m just seeing:
This. What he said. This is the way.
Etc.
Very. Very. Disappointed.
I definitely agree. In just a matter of days Lemmy has fallen to almost Reddit-like quality and I don’t see what could have caused it, there wasn’t a huge spike in users. It’s really weird
I was going to say days, but felt it was just me. Literally in days, the shitposts have started. What a shame.
Shitposts are more appreciated than quality posts.
Maybe it’s on a different account but at least on this account I don’t see any posts on your profile that are in the negative.
I find it interesting how posts like these only pop up asking about downvotes, never upvotes. Does this “hivemind” only do things you don’t like? Is it in the room with us right now?
People have no obligation to interact with anything in any way. There are people who downvote just to make the post go away in some apps. Stop worrying yourself with what gets points. If it’s that big of an issue, sign up with beehaw, afaik they don’t do downvotes at all.
I find it interesting how posts like these only pop up asking about downvotes, never upvotes
You don’t hear complaints about it as much but it absolutely does happen. I haven’t really seen it here, yet, but I cannot count the number of times on reddit I’ve seen a highly upvoted comment confidently spouting incorrect information, with replies correcting the information at BEST gaining no traction, but more likely they get downvoted hard for going against the upvoted comment.
That’s fair enough, but even in that case I wouldn’t call it a “hivemind”. I can only speak from my own perspective (don’t have stats to support this) but I don’t think people click an arrow just because X amount of people have done the same. At least I don’t. What it seems like to me is, right or wrong, people will generally behave in ways that reflect their knowledge and level of interest in the subject.
That’s not a hivemind or herd behavior or whatever else people like to call it. The masses aren’t an NPC that does stuff on auto pilot.
Strange, when I look at OPs history, I see quite a few in the negative. Maybe it’s because I’m from a different instance?
Yeah same. I see a mix of positive and negative.
Let’s all make a test, what does this post look like from your instances:
36+, my home instance doesn’t allow downvotes. https://wayfarershaven.eu/post/115735
+3 / -34
Coming up as 35 / 0 for me. Strange that none of the downvotes are coming into kbin
O score. +34, -34.
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Just shows 33 points for me, both on pc and on the sync app
I’m on Lemmy and I don’t see any points in the negatives, though there is one post on 0 right now
Op’s question is not a question at all. It’s a scare mongering tactic that invents a hivemind boogeyman, claims victimhood, and seeks weaker minds to join his false crusade. At best, he’s looking for attention.
I’m not entirely sure what this is. is this an attempt at a gotcha?
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I think that’s a little disengenuous. You can be concerned about the quality of conversation without wanting to play victim about it.
Even if you take away responses to the obvious alt-right bullshit and dogwhistles, Reddit absolutely had a hivemind problem and was largely unable to hold real discussions on any sub with any significant userbase.
Filtering what’s worthy of discussion from bait by people with no good faith can be hard, and for people who actually want to talk deeper about issues that require addressing controversial details, even if that’s in order to refute the bad-faith interpretation, will be more susceptible to being downvoted by people assuming bad faith.
If a more down-to-earth, small, approachable community that you can have deeper discussions with than most social media is what you came here for, I think it’s entirely justified to be disapointed if you’ve seen an uptick in dogmatic rhetoric that leaves out any room for those conversations.
Well that was an excellent, nuanced, comment - cheers. I have seen examples supporting OPs observation, but I’m too new to know if this is a change.
Yup.
I feel like there’s an equal amount of people being stinkers + people trying to remind others to be chill/happy to not be on reddit and trying promote positivity. At least that’s my perception of what I’ve experienced
Sometimes you say things that go down well, sometimes not. If you only ever experience approval in your life, you are doing something wrong.
You can see your “karma” with the lemmy client Memmy.
Of course it does. There’s nothing about Lemmy that would prevent that.
