Like the Leia getting force powers out of nowhere in space. Sheesh.
Most Jar Jar scenes.
The casino planet.
The Holdo maneuver.
Kylo killing Han.
Space popsicle Leia.
Some of these are just awful takes man, I’m sorry.
Like Jar Jar, fair enough, he’s shitty CGI, he has bad writing, and is a pretty weak addition to the prequels. Same with the Leia scene, it looks awful and ruins what could have been an impactful death, with an almost cartoonish feel at odds with the seriousness of the rest of the film.
But the Holdo manoeuvre scene is one of the most visually striking moments in the entirety of Star Wars. It has awesome sound design, great acting, it’s just a really impressive moment with real impact.
The scene where Kylo kills Han is also really well done. The lighting is fantastic, it has some great acting, again, great sound design and a really impactful moment with a lot of suspense, and Chewie’s pained reaction is unforgettable.
The casino planet isn’t a single scene and is more of a story arc, but the introduction of the Canto Bight casino is a pretty typical Star Wars scene, almost formulaic at this point, but is executed well - if you take issue with that one and not the introduction of Takadana, I’d be curious as to why.
I think the worst scene on Canto Bight is where Finn and Rose meet DJ, the hacker. It’s very awkward and stilted, the writing is pretty poor IMO, both the dialogue and the characterisation. I think DJ is a cool character and his writing is fine, but the scene itself and Finn/Rose’s behaviour is really strange.
I actually agree that the holdo maneuver was brilliantly shot, absolutely beautiful. Unfortunately for me it was kinda ruined because it made no sense in the context of the IP.
It’s like if you have horrible writing expertly delivered and acted, you can admire the actors skill but still the scene doesn’t hit for you. So I think it’s a pretty understandable take, as is really enjoying the visuals of the scene in the moment.
Yeah, I understand the perspective, I just feel like it’s a little silly. You can take almost any big moment from Star Wars and recontextualise it so that it makes no sense, but you can also come up with reasons as to why it could make sense -
Why did the Death Star have such an obvious weakness? Because the empire is arrogant and thought nobody would ever get close, or because the designer was incompetent, or because the designer was secretly a rebel (which Rogue One went with), etc.
The hyperdrive has always worked the way that the plot needs it to. It’s an often-repeated fact that hyperspace travel moves at the speed of plot. Pilots and ships seem to have absolutely different restrictions on when, where and how their hyperdrive can be engaged and how it works. We’ve been told that you can’t engage hyperdrive while in a gravity well, but pilots have done it almost as many times as pilots have been restricted by it. We’ve been told that ships can’t jump to hyperspace while they’re engaged immediately by capital ships and snubfighters, but similarly we’ve seen pilots defy those requirements.
We’ve been told that Hyperspace is an alternate dimension where objects have mass shadows and that things travelling through hyperspace have to stay away from those mass shadows, but there’s deliberately no hard facts behind how far away, or what would happen in any given situation, beyond “it would be bad”.
So clearly there are different kinds of hyperdrives, (WEG’s Star Wars RPG gave us hyperdrive classes, but they only control speed, not conditions of when you can enter hyperspace) different kind of pilots, different safety controls… the list goes on forever.
So the question for me becomes: why is this moment in particular the moment the hyperdrive jumps the shark for people? Why can’t we explain it away by saying, “a Holdo manoeuvre requires an incredible amount of control over a ship’s hyperdrive, at a level beyond what even the most powerful droid or astronavigation computer can calculate. Admiral Holdo must have either been force sensitive or incredibly lucky.” or “it’s only possible in situations where both ships have their deflector shields disabled, which almost never happens, but the special tracking ship needs to have it disabled or it can’t do tracking”, or “it’s long been theorised that it can happen, but it requires a battleship-sized ship with advanced shielding and hyperdrive for the mass shadows to conflict in such a way, and understandably few navies have ever been willing to risk a battleship to try it”, or any number of excuses for the scene to happen this one time in a way which doesn’t make it retroactively make us question why it isn’t used in every other space battle.
Yes, in retrospect, the movie probably should have chosen a reason and had someone (Poe, Leia, Rose, etc.) explain what happened, but that’s only with the benefit of hindsight. The writers probably didn’t think that the movie would get an unprecedented amount of criticism from right-leaning trolls looking to make Star Wars a battleground for the culture war for no particular reason, and thought it would make a compelling mystery and talking point for the movie. How did she do it? How does it work? etc. - which it did, just maybe not in the way they were hoping for!
Anyways, I’ve written way more than enough, but I hope I’ve given someone another perspective on the moment.
I don’t think it’s silly to be frustrated by it, also I think it’s fine to think it’s no big deal. This has been discussed pretty much to death by this point but I think what it comes down to is different people have different levels they are willing to take their suspension of disbelief to during a movie and that’s fine. For me, it was a frustrating but beautiful scene that seemed to cause a lot of important plot points even in other movies to no longer really make sense (why go for the death star exhaust with a fighter squadron when you can have a ship hyperdrive through the middle of it for example). Maybe I was already biased against it and it wouldn’t have been a big deal in isolation, but taken with everything else that had happened up to that point made it more frustrating, I don’t know.
Anyway, I’m glad you were able to look past it and just enjoy the scene as it was intended, I wouldn’t wish disappointment on anyone but unfortunately that’s mostly what I got from this scene and the sequel trilogy as a whole.
Disagree about the Holdo maneuver but I will say it really should’ve been Leia. It would’ve made so much more sense for her to go out that way.
Last three are all good.
Shit… Play the Mr Plinkett Star Wars drinking game.
You’ll die of alcohol poisoning today.
Vader flirting with Padme. It was horrible to watch and requires parents to correct the lessons immediately. A generation of men learned to flirt with women that way.
BOOO
Uhh wait, but Vader is younger than Padme!
By a significant amount. She was an adult queen when he was 7.
They were like six years apart, Naboo just puts people in power as preteens.
Oh thank you
Oh. It came out in 1999, and Ms. Portman was born in 1981 (actress and character can be different ages, plus it was filmed prior to release and I have no idea how old she was). I read the character as way older, so that is on me.
A generation of George Lucas’s thought that was peak romantic dialog.
Which is wild to me because it seems really obvious to me that it’s intentionally cringy dialogue.
Anakin Skywalker is a cringy edgy teenager for a lot of that. That’s like, a major part of his character.
“They can fly now??” Lamest Kenner toy ad ever. Also from the same movie: riding space horses on top of a star destroyer. Also all of that movie. What even was it called?
They fly now!
Oh yeah i forgot about the space horses.
Lmfao
Thanks for sharing that
She uses her powers to find Luke at the end of Episode V. (The scene you described is weird nonetheless)
The whole “REEEEE SINCE WHEN DOES LEIA HAVE FORCE POWERS!!!” shit is just…goddamn it
There was SO MUCH wrong with that movie, and you picked the most obvious, easily explained, not-in-any-way-a-plot-hole scene?
It had to be people who never actually saw the original trilogy. That’s the only explanation.
I’m more mad at the execution than the fact they did it. No build up to it, and you can practically see the wire.
How could the daughter of the most powerful force-user possibly have Force powers?
It’s truly baffling.
Well, we’d already found out who’s Luke’s dad, so the film ended with a cliff hanger which would get people talking: why was she able to hear Luke?
The issue I had with that particular scene is not that she had force powers. She comes from a force-sensitive family, so her having latent force powers makes sense. Key word here being “latent”.
What absolutely did NOT make any fucking sense is A: Leia not dying of asphyxiation when she enters the vacuum of space and B: Leia just happening to know how to use force pull without any prior training. Like, they don’t even try to hand-wave it off by saying something like “Oh, she spent some time training with Luke when you weren’t looking” or something.
She did spend time training with Luke when you weren’t looking. I mix up canon and legends but I’m pretty sure the same thing happens in both, more or less - she learns quite a lot of the basics from Luke until she has a vision of her son dying at the “end of her Jedi path”, and in both Legends and Canon that vision is fulfilled.
In this thread: People who haven’t seen the Star Wars Christmas Special.
And that’s a good thing. Don’t see it. Don’t do it. You think you’re curious, I get it. But you’ve been warned. If you try to watch it, for goodness sake, at least bring a group of friends so that someone else will understand your lingering pain.
People think it’s going to be like the room, or like watching paint dry. Something that either has a familiar sense of boredom or alternatively any amount of entertainment that can be derived from watching. This is incorrect. There is no entertainment value, nothing to extract joy out of. Just a deep sense of discomfort and the overwhelming urge to literally do anything else with your time.
You understand my pain. Thank you for that.
Grandpa Wookiee watching vr porn is something no one should have to witness
Indeed!
And to clarify for anyone reading along. We are not exaggerating. That’s a thing that happened in Star Wars. It’s cannon.
It’s arguably more cannon than the books. At least Grandpa woolie dies a well deserved gruesome death in the books. There’s that small comfort.
It’s the best movie in the series!
Especially the first incomprehensible 30 minutes!
Agreed, I absolutely hated that scene.
People stood up and cheered in my theater for that.
That’s kind of when I stopped caring what other people think about movies.
That’s why i don’t go to theatres anymore. People really need to be superfans and excited and show their excitement and be more excited than other people.
I saw some videos where people freaked the fuck out while watching engame, and people were so happy to be there for it. To me it looked like an absolute painful experience.There are two kinds of star wars fans.
First kind: cares about consistency of plot and character
Second kind: dude it’s all a fantasy, why do you care so much lol, hey look laser sword go buzz lol
There’s a third kind who just enjoy star wars as works of art. It’s ridiculous to care about consistency when the writers don’t
That would be the second kind.
For some definition of art.
Thank you. I see so many people say this was one of the best scenes of the prequels, but I can still remember my stunned disappointment when I saw it in theaters.
Yoda is supposed to be this great sage who is so powerful he never cared about violence or fighting skills. But lolnope, turns out he can actually fight, and when he does he looks like a monkey who did a rail of coke then grabbed onto a glowstick.
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On first viewing it was awesome, then the reality set it after awhile
“Can you hear me now? Can you hear me now?” from
TFATLJ.One of my favourite scenes from the sequel trilogy. It’s such a stupid scene, I can’t help but love it.
The last film of the new trilogy as a whole. I’ve watched it three times now and I can not for the life of me remember the plot. There was a dagger thing and then Palpatine is in the end on a spooky crane and then they kiss and it’s weird. That’s seriously everything I can remember off the top of my head.
Having bombing spaceships that bizzarely seem to rely on gravity was a pretty terrible way to open a film.
I’m not a 100% sure I understand this. IIRC it was bombing spaceships hovering above a planet dropping bombs into the atmosphere, correct? (Totally possible that I’m misremembering!) In that case using gravity would be absolutely fine.
I could be wrong but I could’ve sworn that while they were fighting above a planet, they were still “dropping” bombs on a ship below them.
So if the rebels have a ship that works only if you happen to be fighting above a planet with a ship below you, that’s even sillier!
Oh, the bombs were meant for another ship, not the planets surface? Then indeed gravity makes little sense, or at least it’s a very straightforward and uninspired port of the concept of bomber planes.
But I guess they wanted it to fit in with everything else… :(
They weren’t using gravity, they were electromagnetic rails that shot the bombs out of the bay into the enemy ships. I mean it’s still dumb since you could fire them from further away, just not dumb for the gravity reason.
Yeah, that kind of makes it even dumber to me.
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That could be another thread, probably more engaging
https://programming.dev/post/1922670
I don’t know how to make instance-independent link :/
It’s all good, I found it!
