I get that it’s open source provided you use codium not code but I still find that interesting
I only use vim.
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Agreed to the latter point. The only reason why I might not use vim is to copy-paste some code in and out of the file, in which case I prefer plain text editors.
With that said, I’m a purist who uses vim without any external plug-ins (other than the files I wrote myself in
ftplugin). Use vim on a remote machine whilst SSHed into it from a windows machine and wanting to copy-paste stuff in and out is a major pain which is why I downloaded Vscode in the first place. This piece of cancer is not touching my linux machine.Indeed, however I’m using Windows as the host, whilst SSHed into my development machine.
Yes, integration with the system clipboard does make things somewhat easy. I would still use a simple GUI text editor if I was using my mouse though (like copying from a website using a mouse).
I feel like this is backwards and
netrwis The Way.I use
treeon the terminal if I want a tree view. I do all of my file management directly, it just feels more intuitive. I understand the point ofnetrwthough
May your vimrc be passed down through the ages
I need to use VSCode at university because their version of neovim is too outdated for my config…
Have you tried compiling neovim for your own personal use? There are a bunch of possible issues that can arise, like lack of enough space or required dependencies, but if you miss neovim it might be worth trying
well i ended up just downloading the latest release build on github and symlinked the binary to my .local/bin, and it works now
for debian based systems, there is a PPA with nightly builds. I use a quick and dirty python script via systemd to schedule nightly builds from the PPA’s source pkg on both debian and popOS with good results. worst case you can roll back to a prevous build of the pkg, tho Ive never had to
You can hate Michael Jackson, but listen to Billie Jean.
That is a very good analogy
VSCode is an open source IDE. Its biggest rival is the JetBrains suite. When the alternatives are proprietary, VSCode is a win.
VScode isn’t foss. It just contains some open source code.
It contains mostly open source code. The proprietary binary MS distributes adds very little proprietary stuff to it. You can use the open source version
Code - OSSjust fine or use VSCodium which is based on thatIf I was going to use it I would use VScodium.
How do you know what’s in VScode? Its still proprietary.
I mean, that’s what I’m doing
Interesting, how do you get this Code-OSS?
If you’re on Linux, you can download it as a flatpak or if you’re on arch through the package manager. Maybe it’s also in the repositories of other distros but I can’t check that. I also have no idea how to download it on Windows. I would recommend getting VSCodium anyway though. It’s also available as a flatpak, in the AUR and on their website for Windows.
Most of Jetbrain’s tools have community editions as well.
PyCharm community is amazing.
The community editions are still proprietary, and they put the most useful tools behind the paywall.
VScode is proprietary as well.
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Let me google that for you, Jetbrains provides a convenient list: https://www.jetbrains.com/products/compare/?product=pycharm&product=pycharm-ce
From the link you shared:
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Remote SSH is the one that I need.
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Python extension
Aren’t those features just telemtry and the plugin store (for which there is an open source replacement btw)
There’s also some issue with good VSCode when using C# & .NET
Live share, remoting (running over ssh or other) and settings sync are both absent from codium, they’re the ones I know of
Can’t you just install a plugin for ssh?
I don’t think so, it runs a client and a server version of VS code so all extensions, settings, debug config etc work on the target machine as if native.
Seems like a core feature a plugin wouldn’t be able to implement properly
Obviously you can run ssh in the terminal or you could network mount the filesystem somehow but it’ll be way jankier
Someone on Reddit said that this plugin works apparently. Can’t test it myself rn tho.
The moment remote development works with vscodium, I’m going to switch. For now, the FOSS alternative is running code-server on the remote machine, then do ssh port forwarding (or access it via tailscale/zerotier) to access it from a remote machine.
Lack of SSH would be a deal breaker for me.
You can obviously SSH from the terminal but unless you use some external solution you can’t open folders on remote machines in the ide
Have you tried any of the JetBrains products, they are great.
The jetbrains default hotkeys is in direct conflict to the “typical defaults” for hotkeys you see in the world
I know, they have keymaps for everything, including a VIM map and vim mode!
Defaults are very important.
I did for a few years. Eventually I had to switch to VSCode because any given Jetbrains product is only good at a single language, and constantly switching Jetbrains products is a nightmare. Now that I’ve been using VSCode for a while, there are some extension that are so critical to my workflow Jetbrains is virtually useless to me without them.
Have you tried JetBrains Fleet yet?
Yeah, I mean, if it works better for you, then good on you 😎 I mostly just stick to Python and Terraform. I used their GoLand IDE for a while, it was nice. What extensions are ya using? I’ve seen a lot of embedded folks really like VSCode.
Most extensions have good equivalents. Other languages like Julia are VSCode only. Fortran was the language that really made me jump ship, PyCharm’s Fortran extension is barely syntax highlighting. Remote - SSH is the killer though, it is a beautifully made and essential tool for working with remote systems.
Most importantly, PyCharm doesn’t really have any killer features or extensions that makes it essential.
Yeah, their extensions are okay, but it’s mostly what you get in the box. The remote SSH is sooo nice, I use it everyday for PowerShell from my Mac to Windows boxes. Yeah, I definitely get that for something like Fortran. I used to do LUA a ton back in the day, and it was the only good IDE for it.
You’re the second person to say this and it’s just wrong. With the Ultimate Edition, you can install the plugins for whichever languages you want and stick to a single editor without switching.
I had a job that required me to use JetBrains. I would’ve preferred to use VSCode.
I don’t
If you like vscode you can always use vscodium
Potato-potato. You support Microsoft if you use either.
True
This reminds me of when my dad holds an ideological belief about something based on politicians he doesn’t like who support it.
“Climate change isn’t real because Al Gore…”
“Supply Side Jesus isn’t valid because Al Franken…”
“Affirmative Action is racist because Al Sharpton…”
Actually now that I think about it, maybe he just doesn’t like people named Al…🤔
But anyway, if it’s open source, and the source is sufficiently audited by third parties, and I’m able to compile and run it myself, and running it doesn’t have undesired behavior (telemetry etc) then I don’t care who wrote it, because it does exactly what I need it to.
So I suspect you don’t use any extensions or found a way not to get them from Microsoft?
I don’t use vscode, I was just explaining that my requirements for using an open source product for my personal uses are independent of who wrote the code. I’m never going to say “I won’t use X source code just because Y wrote it”, that’s just silly. If I have the code, and it does what I would want it to do if I wrote it myself, and it doesn’t do anything I don’t want it to do, then I don’t care where it came from.
Lately I’ve been using Neovim.
Yes, and I was adding that it is not enough for the product to be open source if the ecosystem surrounding it (e.g. extensions) still drives you to use proprietary software
You’re right, it’s not open source if it’s not open source. Good point.
Unfortunately VSCode is not an open-source product, it’s only based on an open-source product. It’s the difference between Chrome and Chromium. VSCode does have telemetry. VSCode is licensed under Microsoft’s proprietary license.
I was using Sublime Text for many years. Even after Atom came out I still used ST3. However, ST development is understandably slow compared to VSCode and it is now so far behind that loyalty isn’t enough of a reason to continue using it.
I’ve been using sublime since forever as well; Atom never really felt like a valid alternative because it was so so slow. VSCode still feels kinda slow but not to a degree that gets to be annoying. Still I could never get used to it. It breaks some system keyboard shortcuts that I use heavily (alt + arrow keys for example) and takes forever to parse files (to make a list of all functions in the project for example).
I wish sublime would update more often and have all the cool new things that come to VSCode every other week, but at the end of the day it still works better and doesn’t really lack anything that’s actually useful (except maybe for a few months before st4 came out).
It breaks some system keyboard shortcuts
And so does Sublime Text: CTRL+SHIFT+U for inserting Unicode characters doesn’t work in it. :(
I recently switched from ST4 to VS Code (Codium actually) because of this and because it’s easier to set up a Python debugger.
I would imagine that setting up a python debugger would be the same on both since sublime also use vscode’s debug adapter protocol.
It’s basically one click in VS Code. It’s more clicks in Sublime. 🤷♂️ Turning Sublime to a full blown IDE for a bunch of different programming languages takes work and I’m lazy.
I love Jetbrains. As a company, how they treat their users, the way they do subscription models (subscribe yearly, and if you unsubscribe, keep the license for the version you have still, including the ability to re-download that version), and just the prodding quality overall.
Have you had a merge conflict yet? A breeze to manage with GH Desktop + VSC
I use Linux on my home desktop and my work desktop but I also keep a Windows install on my work machine when I need to test Windows things there. On Windows, I haven’t found a better Git GUI than fork.dev. It’s not open-source but it is what one of my favorite creators calls “organic software”: Ukrainian husband and wife duo that warms my heart. The evaluation period is unlimited without nags. I’ve found it to be the perfect Git teaching tool and the best merge conflict resolver I’ve ever seen.
I’ve done it with vsc, haven’t used GH desktop do you use it alongside vsc or does it just do a similar thing?
I still use TortiseGit just for merge conflicts. The editor is more intuitive to me.
A merge conflict is a breeze to handle in the terminal. I haven’t seen any tools that improve on that substantially.
5 years of merging conflicts, I still don’t know when to use --theirs or --ours
This is the first I’m hearing of those flags. Is it a way of specifying commits without knowing the hash?
Emacs will be there for you, once vscode gets abandoned.
We are talking about a code editor, not a whole operating system!
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You will be delighted to read about Evil mode, which is a vim-like editor for the Emacs operating system. 😁
“Most of us hate microsoft” is honestly a pretty bold claim. They’re just a company that makes software. The vast majority of the world’s Linux users–which is to say, professionals who build or manage software that runs in Linux–don’t care about them one way or another.
This sub might have an ideological skew, but you still don’t know what people in here think about Microsoft.
I’m an old OS/2 user. Count me as a Microsoft hater.
Microsoft has been a pain for Linux professionals and maintainers for decades. M$ called Linux a cancer and actively developed strategies to harm us. Look up halloween documents. No reason to believe they are different now.
No I hate MS. I won’t ever forget the pain that was developing edge cases around Internet Explorer (fuck IE 6, that shit was the worst).
To be fair, when ie6 came out it was a really good browser. The concept of evergreen browsers wasn’t broadly a thing back in 2001. Windows XP was a huge success and there was no way to convince the world to move off of it and many companies built their intranets specifically around ie6. I think it was Korea that built all their banking off of Active X.
I’m talking about the ideological skew
This one is a bigger issue. One of the projects I used to contribute to moved to Gitlab, and saw a significant decrease in organic contributors. GitHub simply has more users, better SEO, and a better ecosystem
Personally, I’d like for everything to be on Codeberg or something but I guess that’s far away.
True but GitHub wasn’t always Microsoft and at least in my experience moving between git providers is a pain
How is it a pain? You just change the origin on your existing project, and new projects you just use the new one to start with.
You gotta change the origin on every deployment you have. Update environment vars, reconfigure tools. You have to port all your PRs over somehow. Your issues. Your documentation. All the access keys. Etc.
With Gitlab embracing activitypub, at least the issues can bei easily migrated now/soon.
Are they embracing activity pub? I read it is just one guy in the community working in it.
And the vast majority of users are on GitHub, looking for code on there. Having activity pub on other forges will not change that big time:-(
Ony saw this vid about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v68NFdZIMKI
Yeah, github is currently the big cheese. But other forges are still out there and are being used. And since git is an open format, the infrastructure is (a bit) more resilient towards enshittyfication.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
https://www.piped.video/watch?v=v68NFdZIMKI
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
Oh, the repository are easy to move.
The bug reports, PRs, wikis, CI/CD are stuck in github though. There is a huge lock in.
The pain is with the migration of a ci/cd template to another
GitHub has been recognized as harmful to the free software community at least as early as 2015, years before the Microsoft acquisition. See RMS email on GitHub.
There is more than enough freedom in GitHub to set a license as you see fit. Stallman is being obtuse.
GitHub allows you to select any license (including a proprietary license) or no license at all. This does not mean that GitHub encourages one to select a free software license or any license at all.
In 2014, John Sullivan, then Executive Director of FSF, also asserted that GitHub’s choosealicense.com was anti-copyleft.
Anti-copyleft bias noted by Stallman and Sullivan is evident from the very beginning, from the founder Tom Preston-Werner himself. In 2011, Preston-Werner wrote that one should “open source (almost) everything” under a permissive license, because the GPL is “too dogmatic,” but keep “anything that represents business value” proprietary.
Y’all use VSCode??? Whatever happened to good ol’ Sublime Text?
But this is a Linux community. What about doing one thing well?
Still checks out I’d say, each plugin does one thing well.
Besides, I think we’re past that dogmatic way of thinking, it often doesn’t work as well for user facing applications where we want things to just work and that is easier to get right when an app is all-in-oneIt’s easier for me when each function is represented by a different icon in my alt-tab app switching. If I want to edit code I switch to my editor. If I want to run commands I switch to my terminal.
Having multiple functions within each app means I need to learn and memorize the navigation between functions within the app. It might be ctrl- or shift-alt-x or whatever.
When each app does one thing, navigating between them is standardized.
So you don’t like GNU Emacs. Got it.
Does one thing well refers to apps in the unix philosophy
Sublime Text is proprietary, which makes it a non-starter for many including myself. VS Code, on the other hand, might be developed by Microsoft but there is a liberated version called VSCodium that has none of the telemetry and such.
That being said, on GNU/Linux I prefer Kate.
And vscode doesn’t even work properly. The amount of colleagues I have using it for C++ and they can’t even get intellisense working with the f-ing thing. It’s bonkers they work that way. It takes them ages to do anything, and its not a case of them being super experienced and not needing those aides.
I have nothing to say about CLion. I have been using it for large codebases, rust and C++, for ages. Even with neovim+LSP I get better results than vscode
Well, given the C projects I’ve worked on take hours just to compile, I think I can cut some slack for any IDE for being slow. Though I haven’t used CLion a lot so I can’t really speak from experience about it. Though VSCode is fast enough most of the times, and it usually only gets slower with nested macro fuckery and/or external library headers.
