Hey do anybody know where you get a tv that supports 4k and does not have that locked up smarttv shit?
If there are none, does anybody know a tv that boots fast(less than 30 seconds) and displays an hdmi input by default without the need to choose the input from a menu.
Thanks in advance.
And sorry if I am in the wrong place.
I got an LG C3, never plugged in the ethernet cable and changed the song so it starts on that last active input.
I did have to enter my postal code though, which is H0H 0H0.Also recently bought a C3 and can’t say enough good things about it. I connected mine to wifi so I could use/control it within HomeAssistant but you can always just not connect it like you said to have a TV without the smart features.
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I was worried about burn in, but after hundreds of hours of Zelda, Fae Farm, which do have static UI elements, I still haven’t noticed anything.
I haven’t connected it so far.I use homeassistant a lot, but haven’t connected the TV yet.
From looking at the integration, at least its not cloud bs, so I could probably block everything to and from the TV except TCP 3000-3001 with homeassistant and it could still talk locally with hass.
I’ve already blocked LG’s ads domains, just in case I ever decide to plug it in, but denying everything except homeassistant would be nice.Seeing Fae Farm mentioned in the wild randomly like this tickled me
I don’t know that much about it, but my partner has been enjoying it, while also occasionally cursing at it.
Post code can be used to adjust settings for regional differences with broadcast tv reception
I’m still ok with the TV thinking I live in the North Pole
If it’s not been mentioned, you want Commercial Displays, or Large Format Displays. Much more expensive generally for less features, but many are explicitly non-smart.
https://www.cdw.com/content/cdw/en/products/computer-monitors-displays/large-format.html
I have found some. The key is to look for either outdoor televisions or ones designed for commercial use, such as those used for restaurant menus at the counter.
Wouldn’t those outdoor ones be super expensive?
Outdoor televisions usually aren’t very good besides being bright and weather resistant.
Don’t judge my living room design! I need those features!
The latest tvs the boot pretty fast, when you turn them on for the first time just don’t agree to the policies and it’ll be a dumb tv.
The other option is a computer monitor.
My Sony TV allows for a default input on boot. Wish it allowed a default App on boot…
I’m going to assume because you said your shopping for a 4k telly and havent set a set amount that you got the money to afford something decent in that case look at getting a used commercial or large format display I found this for £380 which may interst you or prehaps just buying a smart telly and not connecting it to the Internet
I got a Vizio 4K and refused to give it my wifi access. it boots in maybe 5 seconds and the only issue is the time displayed on screen is way off. otherwise fully functional with no smartness. and it restarts using the same input as when it was last used.
I did the same thing with Vizio and it eventually would randomly turn off, or sound wouldn’t work or something, you’d call support and they’d tell you that you have to update it. It doesn’t make any sense, but I did it and it would work find for awhile again. Thr tinfoil hat in me says they do that to get whatever info they have stored on you.
interesting. i didnt have those issues. i havent updated.
My 6 yr old Visio is starting that general fuckery too. I have to unplug for a minute to get it going.
A few months ago, I connected my Vizio to my network to do firmware updates to see if it could be any better since it was 3 years old and I was sure there were improvements. Then and only then did I start seeing random crashes and the TV speakers turning on and up to max volume (I have a sound bar + subwoofer). The TV shut off without warning in the middle of a Rocket League tournament and wouldn’t turn back on until I unplugged it and plugged it back in. That was the last straw. Disabled the Wi-Fi connection and it’s been running fine ever since.
Track the DNS requests and if anything calls for telemetry.brand.com block it.
If they arent as evil as youtube and use separate subdomains for thr respective service you should be able to allow the update domain but block all others.
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I’ve got a 55" from Westinghouse that’s probably a decade old by now. It technically has some half-baked smart functions, but they’re more like fixed apps than anything where you can install/update/change. It never gets connected though, just used as a monitor for whatever is attached. Cheap off-bramd type boxes are not bad if you’re just looking for an output. Lots of times they don’t have the time and resources to put into making some big infrastructure and app catalog, so they just focus on making the screen and inputs work.
I hate “smart” TVs too, unfortunately I have one but I just never connected it to the internet. I only use the HDMI input to connect it to my HTPC running Linux and Kodi, it’s an awesome setup.
Almost every smart TV I have played with you can set them up to just go to an HDMI input and turn off any “home” menus screens. You also can usually skip any Network setup.
I have played with LG, Vizio, Samsung and Sony TVs all have had options to do this. (But this has been over the last 1-7 years).
I have a TCL Roku TV and I just set it to boot straight to the HTPC on startup
My vizio also starts on the last input. So it only goes to the smart TV stuff when I want it too. It’s older (E50x or something like that) but it’s been getting updates so I’m assuming it’s the same on newer ones still.
My newer Vizio will not default to hdmi. It always brings up the menu, where you have to scroll through a bunch of ads to get to your apps and input options. The apps randomly change order. Sometimes you even get a pop-up ad when you first turn it on. I wish I had never bought the damned TV.
If you connect your device to a compatible hdmi port and turn on the device first, it should turn on your tv to that input straight away. Boot times should be nearly instant unless you do a full restart of the smart tv.
I researched this recently - here’s what I found:
Vizio P65-F1
TCL 65R617
Sony x900e
Hisense H65M7000
Sony KDL-65W855C and Samsung UE65H6400
Sceptre U650CV-U
Sceptre, Supersonic, SunbriteTv, outdoor TV’s, and Caixun have non-smart Tv’s
https://www.tomsguide.com/how-to/how-to-buy-a-dumb-tv-and-why-youd-want-to
Lots of the “features” are profit motivated. Lots of companies love to be paid for bundling software on the device.
It bothers me a LOT!
Especially when I don’t even use the smart shit, basically use it as a glorified monitor and the thing pops up a message “Our terms and conditions have changed”. I cannot use my fucking TV till I accept the new terms and if I refuse, the TV just turns off.
It’s such bullshit! I own the TV, how can you change the terms and conditions after the fact? Can I change the terms and conditions? I know I paid $1000 for this TV, but I changed my mind, can you please give me back 250$. I altered the deal, pray I don’t alter it any further.
Same with my goddamned piece of shit phone. Here is a new software version, it will remove 3 features you love and use every day, drains your battery twice as fast and makes the whole thing slow. You can maybe hack shit till it doesn’t update automatically and only occasionally bugs you about it. But then you don’t get any security updates or compatibility fixes, so that’s not really a good option either. So you buy a new device every 2 years, even though it was perfectly fine.
I know the EU is working on it, but I can’t wait for the day manufacturers are forced to provide at least 5-7 years of security/compatibility updates for devices, without also bundling feature updates. And be legally bound to the terms and conditions at the moment of sale, no changing the deal after it’s done.
Weird, the new ToC just says “I have altered the deal. Pray I do not alter it further.”
We altered the deal, pray we don’t alter it further.
The only solace I can offer is that I think most TOS have been deemed unenforceable since literarily no-one reads that shit.
Somone correct me if I’m wrong please.
You aren’t paying for the smartness. You are actually getting a subsidized TV that should cost a whole lot more but is being sold for cheap since it is also a data collection device.
Non smart TVs are more expensive than their smart counterparts.
The only answer is to never give your smart tv access to your network and to use an external device for streaming.
This is exactly what I do, my TV never connects to my network.
Not really. All the extra circuitry costs money. Building and maintaining the software costs money. And that’s way more than you’re expected to “earn”.
As much as it fuels your conspiracy boners, it’s not like Samsung is raking in billions by showing you ads.
Do you think that Facebook doesn’t cost money to build or run?
A crappy years-old ARM-powered smartphone SOC stuck inside a TV costs next to nothing.
As much as it fuels your conspiracy boners
If you want to discuss this topic further, I’d be happy to. But not if you’re going to causally throw around insults.
You don’t know anything about me or my work experience.
That’s the neat thing: I don’t need to.
If you’re just parroting the same narrative without any basis like anybody else and also use the same narratives, I can safely assume that unless proven otherwise, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Thanks for confirming my original response to you.
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You don’t know anything about me or my work experience.
Throwing around insults is not helpful, but neither is “trust me bro”.
Where was the trust me bro part in his response?
OP literally said to not assume what he did or didnt???I just did some searching around and found out that smart tv with the same specs as dum tv is cheeper.
Vizio makes twice as much profit from those ads and tracking services than the actual TVs:
https://www.theverge.com/2021/11/10/22773073/vizio-acr-advertising-inscape-data-privacy-q3-2021
You’re right. What you really need is a tv that reacts less bad to being online. It’s a shame Logitech killed the Harmony because dumbing down your tv successfully generally requires a universal remote.
As a long time Harmony user, expert, and former employee … The Sofabaton remotes are the closest substitute I’ve found. Easy to configure and use. Just no “activities” like a Harmony. But at least you can set it to control the volume on X device when you have it in the mode to control Y device.
Activities are the killer app of Harmony. How do you set it to switch inputs on the various devices?
It has a physical scroll wheel to switch between devices. The on each device mode you can customize the buttons.
I use configure one of the buttons to be a hot key to set the TVs input for the device I have selected.
Again, it’s not as automated as an activity, but it eliminates switching around to different devices and finding inputs.
In our case we have some devices connected to a receiver (Apple TV) and others to TV (game systems). We use ARC for audio for those devices. I suppose it’s easier if everything is connected to TV for that purpose.
It bothers me it’s so hard to find one that doesn’t include it, but it doesn’t feel like it’s bloating the price to me, if that’s what you mean. Besides the insistence on the smart shit, TV’s have constantly been getting better, bigger, and yet still cheaper.
It’s unfortunate, but if anything the smart features are part of why they’re staying so cheap. The TV costs the same to make no matter what, but when every company under the sun is paying a fee to have their app baked into the tv, you don’t have to charge the end-user as much to make the same profit. Not to mention the treasure trove of data you can collect(and sell) from the ones who connect it to the internet.
This happens everywhere now.
We had the garage doors replaced, and replaced the openers since they were also a couple decades old and a small part of the total cost. Every damned opener that wasnt bare-bones had smart features. Camera, motion detection, wifi… of course, none of it to any sort of standard, and requiring a special app and account with the vendor. Smart devices are fine - I want smart, to some standard like zwave - but I’ll be god damned if I’m going to make an account with Genie so they can track and sell my garage door use.
Same thing with the dishwasher. The house being as old as it is, all the devices are hitting planned obsolecense at the same time. All the new dishwashers that have any decent features are smart. Again, with some shitty bespoke app, and requiring an account. This time, I got the damned thing and just haven’t installed the app or configured the wifi on it. Maybe it’s talking to one of the neighbor’s unsecured wifi networks; I guess I can live with that.
We got lucky on the refrigerator (this time, something inside broke and leaked water into the underfloor for a week before we caught it). We got a model that had everything we wanted and didn’t have wifi.
I read an article a few months ago about a conference where all these companies are bitching that people are buying these things and not connecting them; with any luck, they’ve been losing money on them and will stop adding smart features to everything. But I’m not holding my breath.
I already have >500 accounts spread across various shops, game dev accounts (because every publisher needs its own launcher), services, etc.
Too much data floating around the world because just another joe needed to seel some more data >_>Yeah there’s this idea that we all want high tech, high surveillance everything. Fuck that, I want stuff that works right without accounts, or can work on a home hub or something like that. I hate feeling expected to load my phone with an app for everything I interact with
It’s mostly because it’s all heavily integrated. The chipset that drives the smart platform also drives everything else, including the inputs and stuff.
Yes. They make them for commercial use, like the signs at fast food.
Many of those types while having great brightness and reduced image burn in actually have terrible quality images. Eg no hdr, some may only be 30hz, some may have the contrast ratio which is so low you’ll just be sad to watch a movie on it looking at a black grey mush.
Though like all things, there’s a gradient. Some of the conference room monitor panels can be better but often >3x more expensive than the consumer model due to much better warranty (eg same day parts).
So I don’t have any advice here, just a bit of warning with experience with being around zoom, teams, and display walls from an IT solutions perspective,though generally I use AV partners for model selection and installation on any meaningfully sized conference/boardroom room or special application eg stages.
My brand new Samsung boots to pc hdmi in like 5 seconds be default, and is a very smart tv.
Smart TVs arent bad because they’re smart. They’re bad because people buy cheap ones on black Friday.
Your smart tv is not very smart, but apparently more so than you are.
SmartTvs aren’t bad. That is correct. However if I don’t get an android TV I am stuck with the apps the manufacturer chooses. Which does not include xstream, nexttube or a Firefox. So that is a big minus for me. Then there are other issues that begin at “not defaulting to an hdmi input” and end at “ads that are shown in the menu”.
So I rather don’t have any of that.
Think you missed the point of the thread.
