I was wondering what’s up with the comments but then I realized the main feed sent me to .ml.
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Comments do drastically differ between .ml and .world. On .ml, you’ll see more sympathy towards Russia and China.
But the issue on hand is way bigger than that. It’s importance is not in Russia getting sanctioned somewhere else - it’s in the destruction of openness and trust in the open-source community, which has far more reaching consequences. What has been done is pretty unprecedented - and dangerous.
And I’m surprised other Linux communities are silent on the matter.
I can’t stress how much the western supremacists are off the rails on this one: agreeing with the standard sanctions policy commonly used by the US, of punishing entire civilian populations based on the actions of their government, regardless of how you feel about that government and its actions.
Code is code, the nationality of the person shouldn’t be used to exclude them. ppl know how most of us here feel about Israel but I would never even think of excluding an Israeli contributor to any of the projects I work on.
Are they excluding contributions or maintainer status?
Half the problem with .ml is the even blend of sensible takes and wackadoodle nonsense. That’s the systemic reason everyone who’s not pro-wackadoodle catches themselves going “what the f-- oh, it’s a .ml community, yeesh.”
@mindbleach @Allero From what I’m seeing from Lemmy, I would estimate the wackadoodle’s to be much higher than 50%.
The other half of what’s wrong with .ml is the blatant censorship all over the goddamn site.
The userbase’s downvote-happy inability to take criticism barely matters.
You should stay on reddit.world or sh.itjust.twerks telling your fellow Redditors about how we need to send billions of dollars to foreign wars that RAND corporation and Chatham House have admitted they never intended to win (they thought Russians would overthrow their own government if enough Ukrainian men and adolescents die on the battlefield long enough, pure strategic genius, Zapp Brannigan would be proud).
Seems like you are the one drinking the Kremlin Kool-Aid tbh. The Russian invasion of Ukraine is deeply unpopular, because it’s such blatant imperialism. They are trying to re-vassalise Ukraine, same as they did with Georgia. Simple as. Putin still has delusions of empire and cold-war era “spheres of influence”, and his pretexts for the invasion are paper thin to anyone not drinking Putin’s Kool-Aid. Support for the Ukrainians has nothing to do with Western propaganda - it’s got to do with the fact that Putin has made it very clear what his end game is, and nobody except Putin and his gross coalition of authoritarians, religious extremists and dictators want to give Russia the chance to strongarm/invade its way into becoming the USSR again. Having said all that, I’ve got nothing against Russian programmers working on open source software. Unlike yourself, I’m perfectly capable of distinguishing between the actions of a State and its citizens, many/most of whom are no doubt decent people.
That’s so cute that you think that anyone who doesn’t eat out of the hand of Google News is brainwashed by Putin. You’re such a critical thinker. Thank you for weighing in.
Actually the difference between me and people like you is I actually read what Washington and Kiev are saying about the war and have memory longer than a goldfish! Plus, I avoid search engines that have gone under heavy censorship since February 2022 by groups like Alliance to Secure Democracy. I have far more cogent criticism of the Russian government and their media, their central bank, and MOD than anyone like you, or most of the supporters of the SMO. Mainly that they let the west get away with a Nazi coup in Ukraine in 2014 and sat on their hands.
Of course support for the Ukrainians has nothing to do with western propaganda LOL, you have no choice whether America and its sub-imperial partners in Europe, Australia, Japan, and South Korea send supplies and funding to the Ukrainians. It doesn’t make any difference whether you buy the propaganda or not. These same thinks tanks that call for a war in Ukraine are now discovering that western industrial capacity cannot be restored and falls far short of doing anything other than delaying Ukraine losing.
The economic shock of the coronavirus pandemic has now rolled into the mass realignment caused by sanctioning Russia. Sanctions place a burden on all countries which are expected to abide by them. Outside of western countries which constitute 14% of the world population, people are ambivalent about the Anti Terrorist Operation Against Donbas Separatists entering year TEN, they only care about the western financial system being turned into a weapon against them.
In fact, even American vassals like Europe and Japan are becoming more cagey about war. It certainly is not inspiring the hardcore faction of the Taiwanese about war with China.
The latest report that I saw was Russian attrition was nearing a collapsing rate in which the expected experience and levels of fatigue of renenforcments were to mean the expected casualty rates would climb exponentially on their side.
@fruitycoder @griefstricken Yes MSNBC has been claiming this for oh the last two years.
That’s interesting because I remember reading that in 2022. Meanwhile Zelensky is publicly threatening to deploy “3 secret weapons” which he apparently discussed behind closed doors with western leaders who are responding negatively to this pronouncement (indicating an unwillingness to escalate)
Let’s be for real, Russia could tac nuke a non NATO Eastern European country in response to whatever dual use weapons zelensky is talking about with a nuclear payload, and their chief worry would probably be the global backlash, not the threat of strategic nukes
Put down the washing machine memes and listen to the quieter admissions of Ukrainian soldiers. That’s how I saw them throwing civilian bodies into a pit, gloating, before editing 30 min later to claim they took it off a Russian phone (despite visible armbands). Morale is breaking down, conscription is failing versus the Russian mercenary and volunteer partial mobilization. There is no political change coming in Moscow.
@griefstricken @fruitycoder I don’t think political change is even desirable, contrasted with Dmitry Medvedev and especially with Boris Yeltsin and Mikhail Gorbachev before him and pretty much the farther back you go the worse it gets, Konstantin Chernenko, Yuri Andropov, I mean farther back you go the worse they get. I think Putin really has been the most willing to work with us if we had only returned the same in kind, as any Russian leader in history. As for political change, though I do not think it will come as a result the political will of the people, sure he has his detractors but think most people are not unhappy with him, where it’s likely to come is simply the fact that he is 72 years old, we don’t know the state of his health or how long it will hold up.
It’s a horrifying prospect unless you just want to maintain access to natural resource and monopoly rents via international corps, offered up by whatever Navalny type they would want to take power.
Medvedev… yeah no way but it would be funny.
@griefstricken Prior to nuclear weapons perhaps but that kind of takes the humor out of it.
Eh, nuclear weapons are a paper tiger. Building them is profitable, not using them in a big flurry of apocalypse. Maybe a tac nuke in Lithuania, NATO would not dare respond. Zelensky should not use any nuclear payloads, not a silver bullet.
You act as if we killed your dog. There is nothing stopping you from moving on. You can jump to an instance that is more agreeable to you. However, lemmyml has earned a bad rep from the rest of the community.
@possiblylinux127 @griefstricken I was working on bringing up a lemmy instance here, but after seeing the typical lemmy users I think I shall abandon the project.
Good, Lemmy is not very well-made software. I won’t belabor it, but you are dodging a bullet. It’s methadone for reddit. You can see the junkies fiending in this very thread.
@griefstricken I see useful things happen on Reddit, can’t say I’ve seen a parallel in Lemmy so far. And I’m not sure I can get it to run in the configuration I want to, which is to say having it NOT on the same machine as the web server proxy or database.
Take it to the dev/host chat buddy I can’t help you
Still worth while to do so, the trick is you need to defederate problematic instances. Not hide them, fully defederate. That stops problematic instances and communties from affecting your userbase. There’s many great Lemmy servers and communties out there. Just because a few of them aren’t great doesn’t mean you should dismiss all of them.
I encourage you guys fully defederating the Redditor based instances from the people who actually care about the integrity of open source projects. Get lost creeps! You haven’t made a single argument in this thread other than “all Russians are spies” and “all dissenters are Russian spied”. Useless idiots!
I haven’t made any arguments in this thread, you are putting words in my mouth, and not really helping your credibility. All I said is that the person should defederate Lemmy instances and communities which go against the mission of their instance. Something that almost all instance operators would likely agree on.
Just for the record though, I don’t believe people should be kicked out of a project based on their nationality, that seems incredibly xenophobic. I don’t know where you got that idea that I said any of those things from.
You’re encouraging someone who wants to block “problematic instances” in this case people voicing opposition to that xenophobia, to host lemmy (an open source project where most instances have large linux communities), and taking them seriously on their concern trolling in the first place. It does send a bit of an unusual message.
Anyways I stand by it, that person should fuck off back to reddit.
@griefstricken @Draconic_NEO I’ve seen more trolling from lemmy hosts than anything else here recently. I was going to add a lemmy site to my social media sites but this has convinced me that perhaps now is not the time. This time last year mastodon was a big problem but it has settled down, perhaps lemmy will in the future.
No, you are wrong!
Deleted I missed who this replied to lol
There is nothing stopping you from moving on
This guy was just telling me he couldn’t stand to see opinions that don’t mindlessly support sabotaging the Linux community. Now he says I should just move on? Weird.
If you make your points with less belittlement, we mods will have to spend less time fielding reports.
This was the wrong account, this is one that blocks everything and says nothing. Blocking and arguing go poorly together the way they work on here.
