Fact is you know I am right, you just don’t have any principles. You seem baffled some people uphold principles.

I do agree that quality control should catch things, but we are all human and we don’t catch a 100%. So if quality control is flooded with too much things to catch, the chance of one slipping by increases.

Also, a lot of FOSS is based on volenteers, do we just ask those people to put in more hours? Who is responsible anyways if something makes it through and actually causes damage to something or someone?

I find the decision quite reasonable. You at least filter out the party most likely to pull something shady. We should still be very careful, but it takes away some the work.

We stop at that point. Because it is very clear and obvious to everybody, that a Russian citizen can be forced to do the governments bidding at any time and Russia has demonstrated that they will do that. The whole country is build on propaganda and fear amongst it’s people.

The rest of the groups you name, are not the same. Sure, a poor person could be bribed. But is that the same as the 100% chance that Russia will use anything they can to fuck with everybody they see as an enemy? I don’t think so.

So your arguments are simply invalid in this case. If Russia was a democracy, a real one, I would say they made the wrong decision by pushing the Russians out. But in the current circumstances? I understand the decision.

The US is in many ways, as bad as Russia concerning privacy. If the Americans want a backdoor, they’ll get it too.

However, not many western countries are currently almost at war with the US, the US so far has been a very good ally to the Western countries. It is not in their interest to bring our hospitals down, or put a stop to our air traffic. They don’t gain much from hurting us. Russia does.

Russia does have an interest in bringing systems down and spying as much as possible. And they have no ethic restrictions at all.

So why should we leave an obvious angle of attack open? Sure, it’s supposedly to be found by code reviews, but why make their job harder?

Do we even have numbers on how many Russians have contributed?

I’m not sure if you’re kidding, so I’ll just note that Finland and Iceland are NATO member states, and Finland is notoriously against Russian aggressions due to history.

i don’t know what exactly was in question in the kernel, that the lawyers had to worry about, but From EAR rules… “note that open source software can still be subject to export control measures if it includes technologies or functionalities that are regulated. In such cases, specific controls may be applied to prevent the unauthorized export of these technologies or functionalities.”

IF something was deemed controlled, it makes sense to pull it so kernel can ship anywhere, and whomever received it can do their own tweaks

@Allero @BCsven That was the point I was making when I suggest back to Finland or perhaps Iceland or Switzerland.

the foundation should have moved long ago but I think Linus’ personal adoration of the US is going to get in the way of that.

@vga @ChiefSinner That it was “aggression” in and of itself is a political belief.

The US is the most belligerent nation on earth, shall we ban american contributors? How about israeli?

Should their code be removed from the kernel?

The real question i haven’t seen answered is Who owns the kernel code. Torvalds owns the Linux™ but that’s to prevent others from buying it, but i was under the impression the source code is owned by all those who contribute to it and not whoever happens to be employing Torvalds at the time. Or is it a matter of where https://git.kernel.org/ happens to be hosted?

I’d suggest Codeberg but that’s in Germany, so maybe another forgejo instance hosted maybe in Switzerland.

@mindbleach @Allero From what I’m seeing from Lemmy, I would estimate the wackadoodle’s to be much higher than 50%.

The other half of what’s wrong with .ml is the blatant censorship all over the goddamn site.

Are they excluding contributions or maintainer status?

@possiblylinux127 @griefstricken I was working on bringing up a lemmy instance here, but after seeing the typical lemmy users I think I shall abandon the project.

There is nothing stopping you from moving on

This guy was just telling me he couldn’t stand to see opinions that don’t mindlessly support sabotaging the Linux community. Now he says I should just move on? Weird.

That’s interesting because I remember reading that in 2022. Meanwhile Zelensky is publicly threatening to deploy “3 secret weapons” which he apparently discussed behind closed doors with western leaders who are responding negatively to this pronouncement (indicating an unwillingness to escalate)

Let’s be for real, Russia could tac nuke a non NATO Eastern European country in response to whatever dual use weapons zelensky is talking about with a nuclear payload, and their chief worry would probably be the global backlash, not the threat of strategic nukes

Put down the washing machine memes and listen to the quieter admissions of Ukrainian soldiers. That’s how I saw them throwing civilian bodies into a pit, gloating, before editing 30 min later to claim they took it off a Russian phone (despite visible armbands). Morale is breaking down, conscription is failing versus the Russian mercenary and volunteer partial mobilization. There is no political change coming in Moscow.

@fruitycoder @griefstricken Yes MSNBC has been claiming this for oh the last two years.

That’s so cute that you think that anyone who doesn’t eat out of the hand of Google News is brainwashed by Putin. You’re such a critical thinker. Thank you for weighing in.

Actually the difference between me and people like you is I actually read what Washington and Kiev are saying about the war and have memory longer than a goldfish! Plus, I avoid search engines that have gone under heavy censorship since February 2022 by groups like Alliance to Secure Democracy. I have far more cogent criticism of the Russian government and their media, their central bank, and MOD than anyone like you, or most of the supporters of the SMO. Mainly that they let the west get away with a Nazi coup in Ukraine in 2014 and sat on their hands.

Of course support for the Ukrainians has nothing to do with western propaganda LOL, you have no choice whether America and its sub-imperial partners in Europe, Australia, Japan, and South Korea send supplies and funding to the Ukrainians. It doesn’t make any difference whether you buy the propaganda or not. These same thinks tanks that call for a war in Ukraine are now discovering that western industrial capacity cannot be restored and falls far short of doing anything other than delaying Ukraine losing.

The economic shock of the coronavirus pandemic has now rolled into the mass realignment caused by sanctioning Russia. Sanctions place a burden on all countries which are expected to abide by them. Outside of western countries which constitute 14% of the world population, people are ambivalent about the Anti Terrorist Operation Against Donbas Separatists entering year TEN, they only care about the western financial system being turned into a weapon against them.

In fact, even American vassals like Europe and Japan are becoming more cagey about war. It certainly is not inspiring the hardcore faction of the Taiwanese about war with China.

This was the wrong account, this is one that blocks everything and says nothing. Blocking and arguing go poorly together the way they work on here.

Nope, they’re an oligarchy, pretty much like the US.

Neither is Canada. It’s full of occupying settlers, for example.

@Auli @0x0 Neither is the US,Australia,New Zealand,France,the UK, or pretty much anywhere else, maybe India, in any practical sense.

He’s retired, what vested interest do you think he has. You think he gets money for talking about the working conditions at MS, I bet MS would really rather him not talk about what it’s like at the company even if he is careful not to spill secrets. They don’t discuss that stuff themselves for reasons ya know.

This is like a whole new level of Linux cope here, trying to argue that a guy who is retired has is pushing an agenda to help Microsoft despite not working there anymore and being retired all because he says things about the shitty open source development structure you don’t like.

International economic sanctions? He said that.

Allegiance is another thing. Russian citizens unfortunately are subject to Russian law and the influence of the agencies.

Maintainer is more than a contributer in that it is a position of trust, which is called into question when they and their computer systems are subject to a belligerent governments jurisdiction.

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Western chauvinism:

the imperial core == the rest of the world

You may not have noticed that most of the world is ignoring the international rules-based order’s sanctions. And not only almost all of the Global South, which represents ~85% of the world’s people and the bulk of the world’s production* and natural resources. Even many Global North countries are skirting their own sanctions to trade with Russia.

The Global North is largely sanctioning itself, and Europe is paying a very high price for it. In particular high energy prices, which is eroding their industrial base even more.

*Since the Global North in its infinite wisdom de-industrialized itself.

and what do random developers have to do with a war between oligarchies? are we banning the dirty us imperialists next, because they do more damage than russia ever will?

or are we finding a negative thing about every nationality and ban international opensource collaboration entirely?

or, and hear me out on this one, the individual programmers making linux and 90% of the internet happen might not be fascists regardless of what shitty government reingns their lives?

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