I’m in the market to find a new distro that is similar enough to Fedora that switching won’t be as laborious as I’ve had it before. I keep hearing POP!_os is a good choice but I’m going to as the community what they think is good.
Seems like we’re looking for the same thing, it’s a a shame.
I used Debian before, and I’m likely going back. Since Debian 12 uses the 6.1 Kernel, it’s new enough for me.
I used Debian full-time eons ago, but last time I tried in 2019, it was a dog of a desktop OS to me compared to Fedora. It works fine as a server, but it’s simply not a great desktop.
That’s your chance to turn away from rpm/RHEL distros and run without looking back. As last 20 years history shows, that branch of linux OS is either dying off on hands, leaving you without suport, either makes migration path complicated by a need to change distro. Like it was with centos +5…10 years, oh no … -> maybe fedora -> oh no … -> whatever whocares rpm pop/rocky/alma name it … Thats it, beat it, no more this shit.
deb or any other kind linux is a way to go.
I regred for still having to suport several old centos servers during the last decade. Still regret of having to do lots of co-hosted old projects migrations from one of these – for lost time, money.
Have never regreted for any debian based one during the last 20 years. Have switched desktops ~10 years ago too. Before, been hardcore rpm distros fan – desktop: fedora, later suse; servers: centos, sometimes fedora. Lucky to have used deb distros for servers too, that made at least part of the bussiness stay stabile.
Nobara?
Still fedora based
Still fedora based
Hence the question mark. OP gave no reasons as to why not Fedora.
I’ve been using Pop! for years, having been a user of Debian, Ubuntu, and Mint previously. It pretty much just works as far as I can tell. Are there specific things you’re looking for?
I’m wondering if Universal Blue will be impacted if Redhat pulls a CoreOS move on Fedora. If not, that’d be quite a seamless switch.
Consider PCLinuxOS. ‘PLOS’ has the same look and feel of the ent Linuxes, but
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as a child of mageia/mandriva from mandrake and conectiva, it’s derivation from RH is super long ago so it’s closer to rhel5 for well-built well-tested tools.
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it has maaaaassive lib/app support range, like Axel Rose’s vocal range compared to EL’s Bruce Springsteen. No stream or other crap shenanigans aside from etc/alternatives.
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No systemd. Weird how startups are fast and reliable
It can yum cron like a badass.
Caveats:
- if you liked building vagrants on mageia, you need to help them on pclos. They have no clue there, and the skillet seems to be fading fast.
- people who support sysv startup are getting more lazy and ditching it.
- people who support last week’s version of anything are no more prevalent in pclos, so there’s no magical fix for “10 second tom” devs here either.
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I like Manjaro Gnome. I changed the maui shell for the gnome shell and everything is looking great, and as close to vanilla gnome as possible (which is what I liked from Fedora :P) is not the same package system, but is very neat ;)
Can also vouch for Pop_OS .Can’t tell how much having recovery partition added saved me from reinstalling os again :)
How does the recovery partition work? I mean, I always thought it was a “copy” of the iso so that you can reinstall the system without an external USB drive
One really cool thing that you can do with the recovery partition is to reinstall but keep everything in your home directory intact. I think it’s called refresh installation. Very handy to recover from a bad situation without much hassle. Imo more distros should have a recovery partition.
Ok I think it’s time to create the recovery partition (I didn’t create it during the installation)
Ye but if you can boot into it you can still fix main OS :) https://support.system76.com/articles/pop-recovery/
I personally recommend against using Debian Testing for anything other than testing the next Debian release. It gets slower security updates, and breakages get fixed slower than just using Sid directly. Since Sid has its own securirt team and since it moves faster, breakages are fixed sooner. Even in the official documentation Debian doesn’t not suggest using Testing for the same reasons.
While that’s true in theory, it’s still very common to run Debian Testing on a desktop in practice. For a user coming from Fedora, there would likely be culture shock from the dated packages in Stable. Using Stable with Flatpaks+Nix would be more usable, but OP’s experience does not sound like it would fit well with the effort/knowledge required for this solution.
I wouldn’t recommend Sid to a less-experienced user and I didn’t recommend Arch for a similar reason.
If you don’t recommend Sid, then Testing is out of the question. Testing is Sid, but less secure. Testing also has package freezing during the last stages of the release cycle. If you want a stable, and managed Debian, then the latest stable is the answer. If you want an cutting edge, semi-rolling release Debian, then you want Sid. Being in the middle has no advantages to the end user, and only invites complications. If something is broken in Testing, you have to wait for it to be fixed in Sid first, then trickle down to Testing at an absolute minimum. Why add an extra delay for nothing?
EDIT: offcial documentation https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/choosing.en.html#s3.1.6
Want share my 2c as I prefer testing over sid. It is balance which side you want. Sid got break more freq but also fixed more quickly. Testing has less break but fix also come slowly. For me I prefer less break. So I setup preference/policy to get testing higher than sid. This is not for breakage/fix nor security fix. This is about package available. I think Firefox is one example that testing only has esr so it will install latest from sid and most other packages still tracking testing. Again personal choices and that’s beauty of Linux.
While you are always free to make your own choices, this is very bad advice for someone looking to try another distro.
https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Don.27t_make_a_FrankenDebian Official documentation again does not recommend mixing multiple releases like this. You would be much better off just running Sid, or Stable then using the Firefox flatpak/snap/appimage for the latest release. Debian is a long term stable distro, so if you want newer packages you are advised by the developers of said distro to just use Sid.
yeah, I agree with you, for anyone new to debian maybe should follow official suggestion. But as user using debian so long, I think I understand the risk (of course the benefit) of my setup. Maybe I will try sid someday. Have a nice day!
Hmm, so on top of living under a rock you also like to spread misinformation.
For starters, check Debian FAQ and read up on why Sid (Unstable) is preferred over Testing. Here’s a link: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/
Next, I recommend reading the Flatpak FAQ: https://flatpak.org/faq/
I don’t understand recommending an another company distro to user who is happy with using Fedora but want to change it just because it is a company distro. (They both are actually community projects but let’s ignore it for the purpose of this discussion)
Personally, I use Debian, but it’s a different approach from Fedora. My suggestion for you is to try OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. It’s a rolling release, which means bleeding edge software as Fedora, it’s RPM based and it’s easy to rollback in case of an update breaks something. As I said, not my type of distro (I want 0 breaks), but I used OpenSUSE once while distro hopping and it’s a good distro.
This sounds like what I’m looking for. What is their support for steam, blender, AMD CPU/GPU support, and do they use flatpak, or is it more of an APK setup?
openSUSE does support FlatPak, just follow the Wiki entry. There is also a wiki entry about Steam Blender is in the repositories. Also keep in mind that they stance about multimedia codecs is the same as Fedora. Please consusult this wiki entry for more information. I have to say that openSUSE Tumbleweed is a fantastic distro. It is rolling release, but it is also using OpenQA to make sure nothing breaks during updates. Hope this helps.
My computer is a Ryzen with AMD GPU as well. Drivers are embedded on kernel, so any distro should fit. Flatpak works fine too, but of course, you will need to install it and add Flathub - simple, but needed ( https://flathub.org/setup/openSUSE ). Steam runs fine, if I remember well. Blender I don’t know, I never used.
Arch BTW.
I settled on PopOS, easy to use, just working OS
Any specific reason why you’d like to move away from Fedora? It’s an amazing distro, all things considered.
Do you live under a rock?
Don’t get me wrong. I love Fedora, but with the things they’ve done recently, I really don’t think what I want from an OS and RH wants are the same anymore. I’d prefer to separate from them while I have the opportunity before I’m invested to the point of staying because it’s too hard to migrate.
I am a regarded linux user but my understanding is that they cutting ability of the community to package certain sections from RHEL
When someone tells you Fedora is
completely independent from redhat.
You ignore them.
There is context, you just need to step outside of your rock and see the rest of the posts at /c/linux
There are MULTIPLE threads touching the subject, in the front page. Stop being so lazy.
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