American Militia Members. Where the hell are you? THIS is what you exist for and you are doing NOTHING!
Edit: I’ve only heard “defense against tyranny” as justification for these militias by these militia
They’re all white supremacists, man. This isn’t a tyranny to them, it’s exactly what they want, they want anyone who isn’t white ‘self deporting’ in the face of cruel mistreatment, and the military and the rest of the government is deleting any mention of any historical person that isn’t a white cis het male. They have never been happier.
This exactly.
They don’t see imposing a state of fundamentalist Christian supremacy as tyranny, because their ideology is one of Christian Nationalism (which in the US is inherently white nationalism).
They see the erosion of their relevance as the tyranny they’re supposed to stand up to despite it mostly being driven by cultural changes instead of government mandates. This means that the militias are meant to commit violence against civilians; they know the cops will side with them in a scrum. They’re more afraid of a lesbian with blue hair than a rogue sherrif depriving them of rights.
if you count urban terrorism, we have Atleast three groups. All of them communist or communist in name.
I’m responding to groups self identifying as a militia, and that claim to exist as a check against tryanny. For what is worth
If the anti fascists of the US actually started arming themselves en masse, I think it would be a net positive effect.
Either you have more armed anti fascists able to fight back, or the fascists panic and begin banning guns, causing the fools who follow them to actually think twice about their beliefs.
Nothing gets far right followers more riled up than someone threatening to take their firearms.
This guy gets it
Enforcing government tyranny.
I mean, if you look back to the framing of the constitution, the idea was that a bunch of citizen militias would be kept such that if the country needed defense, they would be able to respond. This was because the new United States lacked (and politically opposed) standing armies like the one which they just fought off the continent.
Since then, the United States acquired an Army, Navy, and Air Force alongside numerous National Guard units. The theoretical need for citizen militias vanished.
The real answer to your question is that we really don’t have citizens participating in “well-regulated militias.” Not from the constitutional context, anyway.
The need for citizen militias was specifically to support regular forces but also oppose them if necessary. The idea was that citizens should always be more powerful than the government. Some people think that modern weaponry means that people could never overpower the military, but we see it all the time.
To be clear, authoritarianism is rampant on both sides of the aisle. The gross resistance to even basic right wing ideology is proof of that (which to be clear I’m not calling Trump basic right wing). Hell the fact you’re calling for violence is more proof.
Left and right, people want to force others to believe what they believe period. If you don’t agree you get attacked.
We need to stop “fighting” each other, and start listening to each other. Then, instead of fighting amongst ourselves, we can unite against the common threat. Oligarchy, and plutocracy.
The problem is that right wing ideology, basic or not, supports oligarchy, plutocracy, whatever you want to call it. Calling basic millitant opposition to oppressive structures an issue of “authoritarianism” and then seeking a solution somehow unburdened by the sin of needing to actually stand for itself or against the larger problem at hand is naive and idealistic.
I do agree that speaking past each other is absolutely a key problem, but speaking against opposition to right-wingers gets in the way of that message.
Or maybe the mere fact that you feel that way is more proof of my point, and why we need to fix the communication. I don’t think the left and right are actually that far apart, but identity politics is a wedge movement meant to divide.
If instead we speak about actual policy, and changes we want to se, we may get more traction working together.
Also, left and right both support both oligarchy and plutocracy.
The right sets the conditions for all business to grow which results in people getting rich leaving everyone else behind to fend for themselves. The left set the conditions to decide where exorbitant about of tax dollars go which has proven time and time again to result in nepotism and gross financial mismanagement. See how those broad strokes are simply inflammatory claims?
Orwells Politics and the English Language is a must read on exactly why this kind of dialogue is exactly what they want us to be having.
Violence is not the answer though. Not yet. Uncoordinated violence would just result in thousands dead and no change. Watch Les Misérables again if you doubt me.
The Left stands for some form of collectivized property ownership, while the Right stands for individual property ownership. Ie, the Left stands broadly for Socialism while the Right broadly stands for Capitalism. These are diametrically opposed.
The characterization of the left and right you give, conflating taxes with leftism and business with rightism, is an extremely narrow view of Political Economy that sees Capitalism as the only existing option. This is wrong, and confusing for everyone else.
As for Orwell, I wouldn’t really give much credit to that sex abusing chauvanist. He is celebrated in the West as someone claiming to be on the Left, while working with British intelligence agencies and making lists of suspected Jews and communists, both of which he hated. Everyone should read On Orwell in my opinion.
Violence is a tool, and a necessary one, sadly. Millitant organization has only ever been the way the Working Classes have been able to gain real victories. Read Blackshirts and Reds and listen to Blowback, Revolution is the only genuine path that has liberated the working classes.
Spoken like a true commie
Spoken like a true commie
Indeed it is, hence it being absolutely correct.
Whatever you say LenPutin
Yes. I am a Marxist-Leninist, dirty commie, pinko, whatever you want to call me. You’re on a site made by “commies,” there are a lot of us here.
I’m realizing that
You’re more than welcome to learn more, but calling people “commie” without a hint of irony will probably just be really funny for everyone else.
Step back everyone, we’ve got an Enlightened Centrist here!
Don’t call for violence, let’s just compromise to allow a little fascism! 🤏
Nobody here is calling for purging wrong-think. There are very obvious and visible threats to our society from an enclave of people tearing it apart. You’re making a strawman to conflate targeting them with targeting freedom of thought
More emotional baseless counters from the left.
Why should I listen to someone who wants to dehumanize my existence?
What existence is that?
The existence of someone clapping your moms asscheeks
Are you fucking stupid?
Why do you think any organized group is going to be making frontal attacks at all, much less at this point?
Jackass
You are unpleasant
You have no idea
You mean the National Guard? They’re just another branch of of the military now.
If you mean the white nationalist militias, they’re pretty content with what going on. I think they’re getting ready to bring lynching back.
If you are talking about leftwing militias, I got some bad news…
I meant any of the groups that justify themselves as being a check against tyranny
Majority of militia folks are fascists
Be it right or left. Militia or paramilitary is always big no no
Left and fascist are opposites. Left wing organization in general does sadly require millitancy, though, whether it be for revolution or to defend against outside Capitalist powers.
Ideas and idiologies are more than just left and right.
Facism is a way of doing things. It just usually is more prominent with the political right wings because of authotarianism. But there also are left facists. One just doesnt call them that. Leninists, maoists, stalinists, tankies
That’s not accurate, though. Fascism specifically is a far-right ideology centered around nationalism and entrenching the Bourgeoisie, usually through appealing to frustrations within the Petite Bourgeoisie. It’s a defense mechanism for Capitalism against rising labor organizing and threat of toppling Bourgeois power.
Marxism, on the other hand, is Left-wing. The class character of the various Communist strains is in appealing to the Proletariat, and wresting control from the Bourgeoisie, rather than entrenching it.
This is why Communists are the most effective anti-fascists, and fascists the most effective anti-communists, these are diametrically opposed systems and ideologies. That’s why 80% of the combat of World War II was on the Eastern Front, between the USSR and Nazi Germany.
I highly recommend Dr. Michael Parenti’s Blackshirts and Reds, the first chapter in particular goes to great length to explain how equating Communism to fascism is a horribly inaccurate mistake that obscures the real underlying systems and impacts the two ideologies have had on the global stage in History.
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Marxism ≠ socialism ≠ leninism ≠ stalinism ≠ maoism
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Socialism and Marxism and facism are way more than just economics. Facism is more on how one governs. Nationalism, dictatorship with strongmen focus and cult of personality (heeeyyyy thats exactly what stalin, mao and lenin did!). You can also be egalitarian and have welfare programs and take care of the poor and have workers rights while also be fascist
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80% is a big overestimation
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That is not the reason why most of combat was there. And there you also left out the african and asian theater. Guess what if you start the biggest land invasion of human history, there is many battles.
Fascism is also inherently against minorities. Socialism and marxism (and well technically communism) and there for also are for equality of everyone. Someone might want to tell the red russian empire (also called soviet union), especially stalin and lenin, Mao, Honecker and Ulbrecht that killing people because of their culture and religion isnt very left wing of them :)
And now i see you are .ml Have fun tankie china bot. How is the economy, tofu drag, sewage oil, CHINESE EVs (they make themselfs great next to the burning teslas), the unemployement and unrest of young people.
This is a lot, so I’ll go through it point by point.
a) Marxism is the ideology formulated by Karl Marx, centering on a Scientific approach to Socialism, analysis of Capitalism along the lines of Marx’s Law of Value, and the philosophy of Historical and Dialectical Materialism. Marxism is an umbrella term for the various strains descending from this, the most common by far being Marxism-Leninism.
b) Socialism is an umbrella term for various economic propositions centering on collective ownership. Anarchism and Marxism are the most common umbrellas under Socialism.
c) Leninism refers to Lenin’s contributions to Marxism. Often it is used to explicitly reference the aspects of Marxism-Leninism that came from Lenin, such as analysis of Imperialism, though the idea of “Leninism” as a complete ideology is wrong, as Lenin was a Marxist and relied on Marxist analysis.
d) Stalinism usually is a reference to Stalin’s stance of Socialism in One Country, as contrasting Trotsky’s Permanent Revolution. Stalinism itself is not an ideology, but a policy position that is no longer really relevant in the modern day as that question was for the early Soviet Union. Sometimes Stalinism is used in place of Marxism-Leninism by those wishing to drive a distinction, but Stalin merely synthesized Marxism-Leninism, he considered himself a student of Lenin more than a theoretician in his own right.
e) Maoism, not to be confused with Marxism-Leninism Mao Zedong Thought, is an ideological strain under the umbrella of Marxism that places the Class Struggle at the top priority, rather than alongside the other pillars of Marxism. Examples of those influenced by Maoism include Gonzalo, but not Mao, who was a Marxist-Leninist, his contributions being called Marxism-Leninism Mao Zedong Thought.
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This is historically and analytically inaccurate, see the previous comment where I answered this more in-depth.
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I included those theaters, the combat on the Eastern Front was on an entirely different scale.
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The Russian Empire refers to Tsarist Russia, not the USSR. The USSR was not an Empire. Again, more historical inaccuracy and failed analysis, see the above comment.
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Finishing your comment on a racist tirade and calling me a bot for disagreeing with you and backing up my claims with sources is not really something I think of when I think of “left-wing.”
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Certainly better put! When someone is conflating Communism with fascism, though, they often need to be walked baby-steps through those errors in my experience, and Parenti does a great job with that.
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While it is true that the majority of what people conceive of as American “militias” are reactionary, leftist community defense groups do exist. They have no where near the organizing capacity to march on DC but they can be seen protecting their local communities often under the umbrella label Antifa. Given the material conditions of the US, most of the focus is on providing marginalized groups with the skills and resources to protect themselves.
Thanks for the links
94% of Militia members in the US are foaming at the mouth reactionaries if not open fascists, with many being active or former law enforcement or related to military or intelligence.
Oh, honey…
We were assured that the guns were there for protection and the many thousand child-sized coffins were just the cost of freedom; A trade-off because tyrants were lurking right outside the door.
Now a tyrant has taken over with barely any resistance and it seems that all those children died for nothing.
Shameful.
Maybe we just didn’t let enough children die… 🤔
We should start a leftist one masquerading as chuds for subterfuge. 😂
Chuds for Subterfuge sounds like a great punk rock band.
