Trying to de-google and looking for an alternative to Gmail.
Don’t mind if it’s a paid service if it’s robust.
Proton Mail. https://pm.me/
Why would you degoogle by exchanging Google with another Google wanna be?
There’s only one solution, self hosted email or you might as well use gmail
mailinabox gives you email, calendar, tasks, and nextcloud apps if you’re willing to setup your own VPS and suffer through some setup, about $10-20/month
I interacted with one of RMS’s public emails last week (not sure if I talked to RMS directly or not) and it came from protonmail. That’s about as good an endorsement as one can hope for, so that’s where I plan to migrate to.
RMS?
Richard Matthew Stallman, who started the GNU and founded the Free Software Foundation 🙃
Ahhhh noted pedophile apologist Richard Stallman
Hi there hate campaign, I see you’re keeping at it. Here’s a song I wrote, third verse is about you.
https://fair.tube/w/7Qkx9RW7ZikNATcqkHWbpm
Edit - while we’re at it, for those who want to read up on this matter:
Keep drinking the Stallman Kool aid my friend. He said what he said, publicly, most revolutionaries have a fucked up side, we don’t often hear it out of their own mouths.
For me saying that sexual encounters with minors isn’t always harmful is beyond the pale and there’s no take backs.
Quote his actual words in context.
!05 June 2006 (Dutch paedophiles form political party)
Dutch pedophiles have formed a political party to campaign for legalization. [Reference updated on 2018-04-25 because the old link was broken.]
I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren’t voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing.
[Many years after posting this note, I had conversations with people who had been sexually abused as children and had suffered harmful effects. These conversations eventually convinced me that the practice is harmful and adults should not do it.]!<
It took convincing from real victims to convince him that minors cannot in fact give informed consent for sexual relations with adults. It also took many years.
Forgive me if I remain skeptical.
One important thing to take note of is: “Once your personal database has seen more than 200 spam and 200 non-spam emails, we automatically start using it to filter your incoming mail.” This means, before you have received 200 spam emails (or marked them as such), the filter is going to perform significantly worse.
Personally, initially it was pretty bad compared to Gmail. However, it significantly improved over time. One thing that helps are masked emails (fantastic) - an email you can create, or is even created automatically for you, and then enter at dubious websites. If you get spam, you can simply block the whole email or fine tune it.
You didn’t specify what email provider you’re talking about lol
He is probably talking about Fastmail since his other comments here are about Fastmail.
Ah thanks, I scrolled for a bit and didn’t see another post from them.
Proton mail
I use my own domain on iCloud for Domains.
skiff.com is encrypted services with docs and drive too
I’ve been really appreciating Fastmail. It’s paid, but I was finally able to leave Gmail behind
Same here, I love how pretty and useful Fastmail is.
I use ProtonMail
They dont really support normal mail clients so no, no alternative.
I would look on privacyguides.org
posteo.de, mailbox.org and others are also good
And dont forget about cock.li !
ProtonMail supports mail clients in the paid tier I think
Yes it supports them on Desktop using the mail bridge. But unsure about Flatpak here. And none on mobile
Have been using Posteo since degoogling for a few years now, can recommend.
Other people have mentioned Tutanota; as a user myself I can point out a few pros and cons:
Pro:
- Extremely privacy focused - everything is encrypted and even they don’t have access to your email content.
- Pretty cheap for a pro subscription (although they recently changed prices and I’m not sure exactly what the new ones are like).
- Pro subscription you can use custom domains and set up a few aliases.
- Generally works fine.
Con:
- Can only use their custom mail clients (in addition to the webmail interface), because they use their own encryption algorithm.
- Tutanota is so extremely hardcore about security that it seems like a detriment to their user experience. I used to follow the Tutanota community on Reddit and there were so many posts from people who tried to sign up or access their email and were blocked, and they had to go through quite a process to get unblocked. I myself went through a period where I kept being unable to access my account on my phone and it turned out to be that they were blocking me because of “too many IPS connecting to my account from the same IP”. I have 2 devices connecting - my PC and my phone, so apparently 2 devices is too dangerous for them. That happened 2 or 3 times for a few days to a week each time, but I haven’t experienced it for a while now, though.
- The user interface is not for everyone. I don’t mind it myself, but I’ve seen a good number of people complain that it’s too sparse and/or ugly.
- Search is annoying - because everything is encrypted, emails can’t be searched on the server side so the clients have to do the searching locally which requires building an index. If you happen to clear your storage you have to reindex everything again. It’s also pretty slow and annoying to index further back than a few months.
- You don’t get much storage (like, only 1gb or something) and you have to pay to get more.
Overall, if privacy and control over your own email is important to you then Tutanota is a great choice. Just be aware that usability can be kind of a hassle.
proton or tutanota, i prefer proton cause of username@pm.me mail
Proton imo is definitely the winner here, since Gmail itself also relies on integration with a bunch of cloud apps
Yeah I’ll go Proton. Was going to go with Fastmail but then read that they’re an Australian company, a Five Eyes country.
It’s quite expensive whereas you get the same product even better for 12€ a year with posteo.de
Yeah, Proton are working on delivering a privacy-focused replacement for the whole google suite. Mail, drive, calendar so far, plus VPN. OP could do a lot worse. :)
